Afraid of Losing Their Jobs

Founder-Acharya of the world-wide Hare Krishna Movement, Brahma Sampradaya Acharya

Who has made the arrangement?
morning walk with disciples, Honolulu, May 28, 1975

Prabhupada: So many seeds are there? And as many seeds, as many trees are there. And each fruit, thousands of fruits there, and millions of seeds are there, and millions of trees are there. Where is that scientist, put into that small packet millions of trees like that? Millions of big trees are within this packet. Where is that scientist? Put in a packet, you take, and millions of trees you grow? And without any expenditure, they are present there. If you like, you can take. What the scientists will answer? "Yes, in future we shall do." In future you will do. That's all right. But why don't you give credit who has done already? You are taking credit by post-dated check, and one is actually paying cash, he has no credit. You are giving a false check, post-dated, and you want to take credit. And one who is paying cash immediately, he has no credit. Just see how foolish they are.

Devotee (4): They cannot even appreciate something like that.

Prabhupada: No, no. They say, "Don't talk of God." That is their philosophy. Post-dated check, they want all credit, and one who is paying cash, he has no credit.

Gurukrpa: "Well, we can't see Him, so we can't believe it. We can't see who has done it."

Prabhupada: No, you cannot see that the tree, wherefrom this tree has come. From the seed: you cannot see it? You are so blind? Why don't you see? Wherefrom this big tree has come? And such millions of big trees are on the floor. You cannot see it? Then you are blind.

Paramahamsa: It comes from that little seed.

Prabhupada: Yes, everyone knows that.

Paramahamsa: But the seed came from another tree.

Prabhupada: That's all right. But who has made this arrangement, packed up, millions of trees?

Paramahamsa: That's just part of nature.

Prabhupada: Then nature is your father.

Paramahamsa: No.

Prabhupada: You are less than the nature, that you have to accept. Nature has already done. So either you say "nature" or "God," doesn't matter. But you are not bigger. You cannot take the credit.

Paramahamsa: No, we are sons of nature, so nature is greater than us.

Prabhupada: "Sons of nature," that's all right. But why do you take credit, why do you want to take credit more than nature?

Paramahamsa: But we'd just like to understand how to use nature, how to work with nature.

Bluffing
Morning Walk—May 29, 1975, Honolulu

Srutakirti: The following morning walk conversation takes place at Waikiki Beach, Hawaii, on May 29th, 1975. [break] Prabhupada: When it is said that all these are created by God, they become very angry, eh? Is it not?

Paramahamsa: Sometimes.

Prabhupada: Sometimes, or always?

Srutakirti: You mean some of the scientists.

Prabhupada: All of them, invariably.

Paramahamsa: Some of them accept...

Prabhupada: Invariably. The scientists, as soon as somebody says, "This is all created by God," they become very angry, eh?

Bali-mardana: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is... What is the reason they become angry? Somebody has created. They say "Nature." Take nature, somebody, but you have not created.

Srutakirti: They want a more complex answer.

Prabhupada: What is that complex answer? Somebody has created, that's all.

Srutakirti: They want to know how he created it.

Prabhupada: How he created, that is another thing. But you have not created. Somebody else has created. First of all accept this. Then we shall go into the detail.

Gurukrpa: Actually they are thinking that they are the supreme brain themselves.

Prabhupada: Then that's all right. How you are supreme? You cannot create like that. How you are supreme? Simply by claiming "I am supreme"?

Gurukrpa: Well, if they discover a theory, then they think that that makes them supreme.

Prabhupada: No, no, no. Theory you may discover, but you have not created. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Bali-mardana: They refuse to accept God because they can neither prove nor disprove.

Prabhupada: But no, no. God you prove or disprove, but first you have to accept that you have not created.

Bali-mardana: Yes.

Prabhupada: How is that you are thinking that you have created or somebody... You have not created this. Somebody else. Now who is that somebody else, that we shall find out. But you have not created. You accept it.

Bali-mardana: They say it was an accident.

Prabhupada: That is nonsense. That is not right answer.

Bali-mardana: Because they want to lord it over the accident.

Prabhupada: Then all these houses have come in an accident? Everything is created by man. How you can say accident? This is their foolishness. Nothing happens accidentally. If there is accident, then how we are walking this? There is a huge water. By accident, immediately it can drown us. If accident is so prominent, then one should be conscious that by accident the whole Hawaii Island can be... It can be done. Why it is not being happened if it is accident? Then why you are building so many buildings? You should know, by accident the whole water can... If accident is there, why you are confident that "No, it will not do." Then where is accident?

Bali-mardana: They are thinking that they can control that accident.

Prabhupada: You are not controlling. There are so many happenings, that big waves come, and overflood, and there is earthquake, and everything is finished. So you are not controlling accident, even if we accept accident. Accident is not under your control. That Madhudvisa was telling: in Darwin there was so big, powerful wind, the motor buses were flying.

Bali-mardana: In America, tornadoes, they just destroyed one very big city.

Gurukrpa: But the thing would be too simple. If they accepted there was God, they would be out of a job, and then there would be nothing more to speculate about.

Bali-mardana: They would lose their jobs.

Prabhupada: [laughs] That is another poor fellow. If by bluffing like this, they can continue their office, that is another thing. In our childhood we were living in a quarter: there many thieves, pickpockets. So we... After all, they were neighborhood men, so they knew us. Although we had no connection, but we knew that "These are pickpockets, gundas." And they also knew us. So I remember, now, children, one pickpocket was taking, and as soon as he saw me... [laughter] He was afraid that "This boy may tell." We have seen it. He was doing... Similarly, these rascals are pickpockets, and they are asking us, "Don't expose us. Let us do."

Gurukrpa: You told us the story that in New York you walked into one yoga asrama, and the man who was teaching yoga, and he told you in Hindi, "Don't reveal it. This is my... I am feeding my family by this method."