But something is missing from this picture. And that is the BBT. ISKCON will never be right again as long as the BBT is not put right. The two are separate, yet BBT at the core of ISKCON. Humpty Dumpty cannot be put together again without the heart beat.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Hedemark
From: Patrick Hedemark
Subject: On the subject of the DOM
To: sun _at_ harekrsna.com
Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 12:02 PMHello Rocan Das.
Obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
I have been following this DOM issue a bit over the years.
So I have found your recent posts (now numbering some 11 posts and counting) interesting.
Thus far what appears to be missing in all of this discussion (and which you might be getting to in fact) is EXACTLY what is the singular relevance of the DOM to present day ISKCON?
In all you have offered – this single most important facet is conspicuous in its absence.
You have correctly pointed out that in the 1975 Mayapur GBC meetings – Srila Prabhupada did not ask for much less order the DOM’s “particulars” on the election of GBC members.
In addition to this – as late as May of ’78 Srila Prabhupada stated that GBC’s should not be whimsically changed, but such changes could be implemented if a GBC man’s faith or practice of Krsna Consciousness suffered a serious fall down. He said their appointment was “for life”.
So this aspect of the DOM appears to have been adjusted – though the history does not seem to provide any formally mandated statement from Srila Prabhupada or the GBC asserting this. Only the conversations between HDG and some GBC men remain as evidence of this. To most this is enough.
This change however appears to be relatively less important (at least to myself) than the fact that WHAT constituted the actual reason for Srila Prabhupada’s forming the GBC in the first place – and WHAT the GBC’s actual enumerated responsibilities were ( and are) and what (if any) subsequent disabilities or limitations were established – as they are given in the DOM itself.
Up to this point – much back and forth has arisen over supposed term limits to any GBC man’s serving as such – and whether or not Srila Prabhupada built in any remedy to the Temple authorities’ dissatisfaction with either a particular GBC rep’s performance of his duties – or even the GBC in the aggregate.
This issue of elections by TP’s of new or changed GBC men appears to have been adjusted and settled by Srila Prabhupada.
Likewise – and in my humble view – more importantly – the particular duties and limitations he expected of the GBC appear to be very simple and UNCHANGED.
Here they are – so stated verbatim within the DOM itself.
PARTICULARS OF THE GOVERNING BODY COMMISSION
“The purpose of the Governing Body Commission is to act as the instrument for the execution of the Will of His Divine Grace. And further,1. The GBC oversees all operations and management of ISKCON, as it receives direction from Srila Prabhupada and His Divine Grace has the final approval in all matters.
And previous to this initial “particular” Srila Prabhupada stated that the simple responsibilities he assigned to the GBC body and each of its executors were the following:
“As we have increased our volume of activities, now I think a Governing Body Commission (hereinafter referred to as the GBC) should be established. I am getting old, 75 years old, therefore at any time I may be out of the scene, therefore I think it is necessary to give instruction to my disciples how they shall manage the whole institution. They are already managing individual centers represented by one president, one secretary and one treasurer, and in my opinion they are doing nice. But we want still more improvement in the standard of Temple management, propaganda for Krishna Consciousness, distribution of books and literatures, opening of new centers and educating devotees to the right standard. Therefore, I have decided to adopt the following principles and I hope my beloved disciples will kindly accept them. There was a meeting in San Francisco during the Ratha Yatra festival 1970 and many presidents of the centers were present.”
“But we want still more improvement in
1.The Standard of Temple management
2. Propaganda for Krishna Consciousness
3. Distribution of books and literatures
4. Opening of new centers
5. Educating devotees to the right standard”That’s it. THOSE are the GBC’s enumerated duties. If they confine themselves to these – everything will go nicely or as SP said there will be “more improvement”.
The rest of the DOM’s “particulars” pertains to their specific authority and/or – absence of authority in dealing with the local ISKCON management – as well as their relationship with the Srila Prabhupada’s separately organized BBT.
It appears to myself at least – that the issue of “elections of GBC men” while relevant PERHAPS at some earlier point in ISKCON’S history – was made moot by Srila Prabhupada himself in 1977, BUT that the GBC itself – and specifically its actual and only real duties and the limitations to their authority or “jurisdiction” were retained by Srila Prabhupada: in the abstract of all his statements and encouragement on the matter – and concretely – in his having only addressed the election matter directly – and his never having “formally” rescinded the balance of the Direction of Management’s very clear cut guidance.
If the above is not viewed by you as the case – then might I suggest that you offer your own view as to what possible relevance the DOM actually represents to anyone anywhere in today’s ISKCON?
And if you share my basic views so stated – then why not offer that?
So far – you have offered 11 pages on the subject – and if the DOM is in fact not relevant to ISKCON today other than its formation of the GBC and their assumption that it establishes them as what they now clearly view themselves to be – then why discuss it at all?
The GBC’s presumption of a veritable “blank check” where it pertains to their authority – is all they appear to have extracted from the remnants of the DOM and other documented abstracts from Srila Prabhupada. It has cost the aggregate of ISKCON centers and their congregations millions and millions of dollars – and the faith and support of countless devotees over the years.
This alone is reason enough in my view to study and emphasize WHAT the DOM actually does to help guide the mission and not be distracted by a tiny aspect of its original construct (elections of additional or changed GBC men by TP presidents) which quite clearly was rendered irrelevant by none other than Srila Prabhupada himself in May of 1977.
Respectfully,
Praghosa Das
Dear Praghosa Prabhu, obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. Nice letter. Of course, writing anything to Rocan is like urinating on your garden plants and expecting them to grow because you are irrigating them personally with warm water.
You wrote:
“That’s it. THOSE are the GBC’s enumerated duties. If they confine themselves to these – everything will go nicely or as SP said there will be “more improvement”.
The rest of the DOM’s “particulars” pertains to their specific authority and/or – absence of authority in dealing with the local ISKCON management – as well as their relationship with the Srila Prabhupada’s separately organized BBT.”
Prabhupada did not just verbally organize a separate department of his existing ISKCON corporation.
He registered BBT as a LEGAL, IRREVOCABLE TRUST, and funded the trust with his ESTATE PROPERTY – namely, his copyrighted works: Bhagavad gita As It Is, Srimad Bhagavatam, Chaitanya-charitamrita, and all his other writings.
What most naive and sentimental devotees have never understood, even to the present day, is that this trust (BBT), legally registered by Srila Prabhupada, is a seperate LEGAL ENTITY. BBT is 100% independent – autonymous – and actually superior (supersedes) by an order of magnitude to the first legal entity registered by Srila Prabhupada, known as ISKCON – a non-profit corporation meant for propagating the philosophy and culture of Krishna consciousness world wide.
The legal difference between ISKCON and the BBT is the same as the difference between the car manufacturer – say Ford, Dodge, Toyota or Mercedes – and the dealership authorized by Ford, Dodge, Toyota or Mercedes. Simply put, WITHOUT THE MANUFACTURER, there is NO QUESTION OF THE EXISTENCE OF ANY DEALERSHIP that would be selling the cars. Common sense? Of course! NO CAR MANUFACTURER, NO DEALERSHIP TO SELL CARS.
For years we have begged the devotees to help in the re-establishment of Prabhupada’s BBT Trust.
Restoration of the BBT would automatically include the concerns devotees have about the illegal book changes made by Jayadvaita & Company. It would also include resolution of the ongoing conflict over guru acharyas or ritvik representatives of THE ACHARYA, SRILA PRABHUPADA.
Every discrepancy, adulteration, deviation and consideration for the future of ISKCON rests on restoring and preserving the INDISPUTABLE, IRREVOCABLE SANCTITY and AUTHORITY of the BBT as ESTABLISHED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.
The BBT manufactures Srila Prabhupada’s books. In this analogy, BBT is akin to the manufacturer of the FORD automobiles. The ISKCON movement is the worldwide network of dealerships (authorized dealers) who sell Srila Prabhupada’s books, akin to the numerous authorized FORD dealerships who sell FORD cars world wide.
Till now, this fundamental focus (BBT as manufacturer or publisher, ISKCON as dealership or distribution network) continues to be ILLEGALLY PLUNDERED BY A CRIMINAL GANG OF LOOK-ALIKE (“BBT – International for profit corporation”) IMPOSTERS. And a staff of meddling, office boy clerks and WANNA-BE editors continue to whimsically change and adulterate the transcendental texts of the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON and BBT, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
If every effort to correct this fundamental crime against Srila Prabhupada continues to be eclipsed, or ignored by the devotee population, then there will continue to be no ISKCON, neither now, nor in the future.
If anything, we will expand as another cheating religion into the future of Kali Yuga, as described in Srimad Bhagavatam – a fantasy, a hallucination, a fanatic, dogmatic, religious movement like Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews and Mohammedans have done from their early days to the present. ISKCON has already become a caricature of the original dynamic force that was centered around Srila Prabhupada in the first 10 years. Srila Prabhupoada was orchestrating every devotee and activity, big and small, world wide.
I’m sorry, but I can’t seem to get off this basic point of the BBT’s primary and exclusive importance in the scheme of Srila Prabhupada’s movement, for the present and in the future.
Help me out here. Am I missing something? If so, let me know what it is. I just can’t seem to get beyond this point. Some friends, devotee friends, have said to me, “Oh Hansadutta, why are you still hung up on this stuff? Fogeddabouddit. Let it go. It’s time you moved on. Devotees are tired of hashing this over and over. Krishna will sort everything out. Krishna is in control. Everything is exactly as it should be.” Still, I can’t seem to fogeddibouddit.
Right now all I see is everyone engaged with secondary, at best auxilliary issues, like the passengers of the TITANIC squabbling over the arrangement of the deck chairs.
Thank you in advance. Either I need help, or we all need help, but something is seriously wrong. I’m open for guidance and light.
Your humble servant,
Hansadutta das
In and for Srila Prabhupada
Hare Rama,
pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Hansadutta you are not alone.
Almost nobody of the current devotees cares about the fundamental issues, that have ruined ISKCON:
1)Neglect of the July 9th 1977 letter “Rivik Order” establishing Srila Prabhupada as the only Diksha Guru
2)Bookchanges
I am only a devotee for around 3 years and after getting cheated by one of your godbrothers I found out about the Ritvik Order and surrendered to Srila Prabhupada as my Guru.
I am sick of even talk to my own Godbrothers, who now either follow new Bogus GBC/Gaudiyamatha Gurus or Support the Mayavada Ideas of Kailasachandra, that we have no Guru to take shelter of.
So what is the solution? ISKCON is dead, because it’s members are worshiping dead so called “living Gurus”. With such a hypocritical group of cheaters and cheated, no enlivened spiritual movement is possible. The same cheating process as done in the Catholic Church.
I pray every day that I can leave my body and go back to Godhead as fast as possible, because seeing the state of affairs simply leaves me in depression and repression.
There is no doubt the Sankirtan Movement will recover at some point, but it doesn’t look like it will be in your or my lifetime.
A drowning man, can’t save another drowning man.
If the mass of devotees is promoting the idea that conditioned souls are Diksha Gurus, they are themselves on the path to hell. One who says a Guru falls down, is an inhabitant of hell…
So my only hope is to give up my body and go back to Godhead, so I don’t have to see severe offense to Prabhupada anymore.
Greetings
Bhakta Robin
Dear Hansadutta Prabhu,
Hare bol! All glories to Prabhupad! Obeisances!
Glad I am to hear the ringing pounding of your hammer on the anvil of truth. Between the hammer and anvil is that gross metal ( fallen souls like me) that Srila Prabhupada is carrying back to Godhead.
Pound the karatalas! Smash the hammer down! Steady as she goes!
With love, your friend Nitai Gouranga Das
Please accept my humble obeisance
Is it possible to take over the printing and book distribution away from them and do it under your guidance Maharaj. This is the only legacy of Prabhupada which need to be preserved and guarded not to be leaved for them to destroy not only the legacy but also the faith of thousands sincere souls as they wish. Krishna and his pure devotes blessing will be there for us, better to die in the war than to be lame and be excommunicated.
Dear Hansadutta Prabhu,
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Your concern is well taken. Since you were there at one point in time of your involvement with the BBT as a life time Trustee, therefore, you know better than any body else as an outsider how to fix this problem.
In order to gain the trust and confidence of the devotees world wide out side of the Iskcon, my humble suggestion is that you prepare a plan what you think is in the right direction to achieve the desired goal and put it in the public forums of the like minded web sites who may accept the proposal to look into it for further discussing amongst the devotees of Srila Prabhupada.
If you selflessly render this service, then, you may receive the feed back from the concerned people, and I am sure that Srila Prabhupada may guide you proportionately according to your sincerity and seriousness in this regard.
Hope this finds you satisfactory.
Hari BOL.
YS…….. Amar Puri.