| [Posted Apr 29,
Nothing to Look Forward To
The Founder Acharya
Life Comes From Life
Easy Journey to Other Planets
Prabhupada: Some scientists say that there
is no life in the other planets, and some scientists said there may be.
So who is correct?
Paramahamsa: Well, didn't the Yamadutas... You stated in your lecture yesterday that the Yamadutas said that what is truth is what is in the Vedas. So I assume from the Vedic knowledge that there is life on other planets. Logically speaking also.
Prabhupada: Yes. How can you say there is no life?
Paramahamsa: But the scientists are saying, though, that the nearest star to our... You know, they consider the sun a star. And that the nearest star to ours is four light years away. Which means that it's... They do not believe that there's life in this entire solar system, in the planets nearest us, the moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Jupiter. They assume it's either too cold...
Prabhupada: No, we say in the sun there is life. Otherwise how Krishna says, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bhagavad-gita 4.1]. "I spoke this Bhagavad-gita science to the sun-god." So? Sun-god is dead stone, and Krishna spoke to him?
Bahulasva: They're very convinced, though, that they went to the moon, the scientists.
Devotee (3): I was going to ask you, Prabhupada, is that the moon planet that we see, is that the same moon planet that's mentioned in the shastras? The same planet?
Prabhupada: Yes, same one. But the moon planet where they went, that is a dark planet. That is not moon planet.
Krsna-dasa: My father is a graduate of Berkeley and he majored in astronomy and chemistry. And he's an atheist. And his logic is is that—it's very empirical—is that if there's other life, they have to have bodies similar to ours.
Paramahamsa: So it's impossible to have a life on the sun because we could not live there. That's the empirical way of...
Prabhupada: You cannot live there; therefore there is no life?
Paramahamsa: That's what they assume.
Prabhupada: But you cannot live in the water. Why there is life?
Paramahamsa: Well, yes. That is fish.
Prabhupada: What is this nonsense, "empirical"? There are millions of living entities within the water, but you cannot live even for an half an hour.
Paramahamsa: But to scientific knowledge there's no life in fire.
Prabhupada: Why not? Fire is also one of the elements like water and earth. So if there is life in the water, life on the earth, why not in the fire? What is this logic?
Bahulasva: Actually, everything is burning. Even this body is also on fire.
Prabhupada: No, the material ingredients, five elements... Out of the five elements, fire is one of them. So if in the four elements there are life, why not in the fifth? How do you say? That is their ignorance.
Devotee (3): You say even in the shastra, Prabhupada, that there's so many living entities in this body. It's evident.
Prabhupada: Yes, that's a fact. As soon as the body is dead, so many living entities will come out. Why? How it is possible? How these living entities are coming? What is the reason? You say the body is dead, so why from the dead body other living entities coming?
Paramahamsa: It becomes food for other living... It becomes food.
Prabhupada: Food or whatever it may be, but the body, the ingredients of the body are complete to get life. You cannot say some chemical is missing. If it is missing, then how so many living entities are coming? There is nothing missing; everything is there. You cannot say, "missing." What is that "missing"? You do not know. That is soul.
Paramahamsa: When I first joined the movement, Srila Prabhupada, I used to listen to your lectures and then go talk with my father. And he would argue with me, and I would find a question and come back and ask you and find the answer and go back and argue with him. But the thing I always came up against is that if he assumes that there's life on other planets or that there is a supreme source, a supreme energy or God, then it destroys his entire life's work, his study.
Prabhupada: Then they are fools. They should stop all this education. This university should be broken. [laughter] Because they are producing only fools. That's all. They should stop this education.
Bahulasva: Donate all these buildings to you.
Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes. The buildings will remain there, but they will be finished. What is this education? They do not know what is God, what is soul, and what is the meaning of education? Simply bodily concept of life like cats and dogs, so what is the use of education? They remain cats and dogs. That is no value.
Bahulasva: They cannot live happily either or peaceful.
Prabhupada: Because they are, basically they are mistaken, how they can be happy? Basically they are mistaken. How you can be happy? They do not know what is happiness.
Paramahamsa: As a matter of fact, that's the same thing my father said. He says that "Because you believe in God, he says you don't have to fear death." He says, "But I have nothing to look forward to."
Prabhupada: So that is also the position of a stone. So you better remain a stone, but I am life. The stone does not believe in anything and still it is happy. So you remain a stone. I am not stone; I am life.
Jayadvaita: There's a verse in Chaitanya-charitamrita that without Lord Chaitanya, there is no life. Achaitanya.
Prabhupada: Hm, yes. Achaitanya, yes.
Bahulasva: So this dark planet, then, is closer?
Bahulasva: This dark Rahu planet, this is closer?
Prabhupada: Rahu, yes. Rahu is between earth and sun. Moon is above sun.
Devotee (3): So it is bigger than the sun?
Prabhupada: Not necessarily. The size is there in the Bhagavata.
Paramahamsa: In Stockholm, Prabhupada, in the museum, they have a whole room, and in the room there is all these... There's American flag and Swedish flag, and there's a whole exhibit with one teeny little rock about as big as my finger nail that the Americans gave the Swedes. It's supposed to be a rock from the moon. And they said in it that it's exactly as any kind of rock that you'll find on earth. [laughter]
Prabhupada: They say? It is simply cheating. They found this in Arizona, somebody... [laughter] And laboratory work.
Bahulasva: I have been trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and that astronaut. He was going to come to Rathayatra, but he had to go to Florida for some space project.
Prabhupada: What does he say, astronaut?
Bahulasva: He says that... His name is Edgar Mitchell, and he was one of the men who went to the moon. But we talked, and he said... He thinks he has gone to the moon. But he said that when he was there, he had a religious experience, and he felt that there was a God. When he went to the moon, he had this experience. So when he came back, he was telling all his scientist friends what his experience was. So they became very afraid, and they kicked him out of the space project. They thought he had become a fanatic, religious sentimentalist, so they kicked him out. So now he has opened up an institute for noetic sciences or... It is some Greek word. It means like spiritual sciences. He wants to prove to the scientific world that there is God.
Prabhupada: That's nice. He is good.
Bahulasva: So we gave him a copy of Easy Journey to Other Planets and Srimad-Bhagavatam, and he's been reading that. He is friends with that other scientist, Wernher Von Braun, who gave that speech also saying that he feels that there is definitely God by his scientific studies. We also wrote him a letter, but we haven't gotten any response. Svarupa Damodara prabhu wrote him also.
Prabhupada: What he is?
Bahulasva: He is a very big scientist for Fairchild. He started the space project.
Harikesa: He invented those rockets in Germany.
Paramahamsa: Yeah, he was actually captured. He used to work for Hitler. He invented the V-2 rockets that bombed London, or was one of them.
Bahulasva: He gave a very nice talk in San Francisco.
Prabhupada: Oh. About?
Bahulasva: He said that from his scientific studies he is feeling frustrated. So he made a public statement that he is going to give them up for studying God. He says that he feels that everything indicates in the universe that there must be a supreme intelligence behind the workings of the universe.
Prabhupada: Very intelligent man. He is intelligent. As soon as one denies the existence of God, immediately he comes within the category of four classes of men: sinful, rascal, lowest of the mankind and knowledge taken away by maya.
Bahulasva: The four classes that never surrender unto Krishna.
Prabhupada: Yes. Or do not admit the existence of God.
Paramahamsa: To assume that there is no God is basically nonscientific.
Paramahamsa: Because they're denying an entire field of study.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore they are rascals.
Yadunandan: The reason why the western world is so much involved in science is because the religions that have been presented here in the West have cheated the people economically...
Prabhupada: No, why cheated? The Christian religion says God created.
Devotee (4): But the followers do not practice this idea. The original idea is very nice.
Prabhupada: No, they became over-intelligent by so-called education.
Bahulasva: How is that?
Prabhupada: Over-intelligence means rascal. Intelligence is good, but over-intelligence means rascal.
Bahulasva: How does that happen, when he becomes over-intelligent?
Prabhupada: Over-intelligent, it is sarcastically said. More than intelligent.
Bahulasva: Oh. Speculative.
Devotee (4): What I meant to say is that the directors of these religions like the Pope and so many things, they themselves have committed so many abominable activities that people have said, "Well, why should we stay with religion? These religious leaders themselves are eating meat, they have prostitution, they are cheating the people, taking their money, living very nicely..."
Prabhupada: But that is not religion. Why you accept the Pope as religious?
Devotee (4): No, we don't accept...
Prabhupada: You reject. You reject. Come to us. Why do you accept these rascals as religious? That is your fault. Why should you stick to them? They cannot teach what is real religion, so let us give you.
Paramahamsa: In Germany they say that's throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water.
Prabhupada: Throwing? [laughter]
Paramahamsa: They wash the baby, and the water's dirty. So they throw the water out with the baby.
Prabhupada: Throwing out the baby?
Devotee (4): With the bath water.
Paramahamsa: Well, they're assuming because there's some irreligion amongst the so-called religious leaders, therefore they reject all religion.
Paramahamsa: Scientists, I mean.
Prabhupada: No, why? Because you have received some counterfeit coin, therefore you should reject all coins?
Paramahamsa: That's the logic.
Prabhupada: That is not logic; that is foolishness.
Prabhupada: That is foolishness. You must be experienced, that "There are counterfeit coins. I shall be very clever, intelligent, to see before accepting any genuine coin." That should be your conclusion. Not that I have met one or two counterfeit coins, therefore I conclude there is no genuine coin.