Prabhupada: Atheism they have spread.
"There is no God—science."
Brahmananda: It's possible to
be a scientist and also be God conscious. Why not use science...
Prabhupada: That is real
scientist. These are false scientists.
hi pumsas tapasah shrutasya va
svishtasya suktasya cha buddhi-dattayoh
avichyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
the Supreme Lord is the source of everything. So if one is actually
scientist, by his scientific explanation he will point out, "Here is
the cause of all causes." By scientific knowledge he will point out
that God is the origin of everything. Then his scientific study is
perfect. But these rascals, they are doing the opposite, that "There is
no need of God. Science is everything," although it is imperfect. That
is their fault. Therefore they are rogues. They cannot prove; still,
they will insist, "Yes, we shall do. We are trying," like that, and
misleading people. General people, they are rascal and fools. If you
mislead them, they will be misled. Shudra, mudhas. They are to
be educated. Instead of educating them, they are making them more and
more fools and rascals. [break] There is utility, but they have no
utility. There is some service; they carry some passengers. They are
carried nowhere. Simply they mislead.
Cyavana: Without spiritual
realization, people feel that they need science. They've become
dependent upon science. They feel that without science they cannot live.
Cyavana: The scientists have
made them dependent.
Prabhupada: That is their
foolishness. These rascals are fools. Therefore they have become
dependent. Why science? What for? That is not... Science is required, vijñana.
That is nice. But they are not scientists.
Cyavana: We ask them if they
need eternal life. They say "No, we don't need that. We need comforts.
We need our daily bread." Like that.
Prabhupada: Where is comfort?
You are going to die. Where is your comfort? You are going to be
diseased. You are going to be old man like me. Every moment there is
some trouble. So where is the comfort, rascal? That means misleading.
There is no comfort; still, they are promising comfort. This is
misleading. Where is comfort? Eh?
Pusta Krsna: There is no
Prabhupada: Huh? Where is
comfort? If you have to die—"Oh, I am dying comfortably"—what is this
nonsense? "I am dying comfortably."
Devotee: Like yesterday
night, that man said that "I am all right." But he was unable to sit on
Prabhupada: Comfort, where is
your comfort? Why you have so many medical men if you are comfortable?
Why there are so many drugs, medicine, if you are comfortable? This is
maya. He is not in comfort; still, he will say that "I am in comfort."
This is called maya, illusion.
Brahmananda: So these drugs,
even though one may be feeling pain, he can take the drugs and he won't
Prabhupada: Yes. He will take
injection. It is comfort. Daily he will take injection, and it is
comfort. [laughter] Just see the fools and rascals. Mudha.
[break] ...met so many medical men, doctors and quack. "Die
comfortably." What is the use of this medical man, medicine? What is
the use? If your comfort and death is comfortable, then why spend so
much money? Die comfortably. Because you cannot check death, then why
you are trying to check death? "Let me live some years more. Let me
take this medicine." Why? Why this struggle? Die comfortably. Suffer
Cyavana: They've made so much
propaganda that life is meant to enjoy. Everywhere...
Prabhupada: Enjoy, but where
is your enjoyment? Come to the practical point. Where is your
enjoyment? You are simply suffering. That is their rascaldom. They are
suffering; still, they say, "I am enjoying." This is called illusion, maya.
Enjoy. That we also say, that we are trying to take you to a certain
place, kingdom of God or back..., where you will enjoy. Enjoy... anandamayo
'bhyasat (Vedanta-sutra 1.1.12). That enjoy is our
aim. But where is your enjoyment here? That is your rascaldom. There is
no enjoyment; still, you say, "We shall enjoy."
Cyavana: Their propaganda
leads people to think that they can enjoy... That it's possible here.
misleading. That is misleading. We have to check that. That is our
Krishna consciousness movement. They are not enjoying, and these
rascals misleading them that they are enjoying. Enjoyment is our aim
also—but real enjoyment. Ramante yogino 'nante satyanande.
Satyananda. Not this ananda, temporary ananda.
Satyananda-cid-atmani. Yogis, bhakti-yogis,
they also want ananda, but not this false ananda. Satyananda-cid-atmani....
Therefore they call Rama. Rama means ramana, enjoyment.
Iti rama-padenasau param brahmabhidhiyate [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Madhya 9.29]. They do not know what is satyananda. They do not
understand, as soon as we accept this material body, it is misery,
simply misery. The body is constructed within the womb of the mother in
a miserable condition. These rascals, they do not understand. In a
packed-up, head down, leg up. And it is enjoyment. The body is created
in this troublesome, from miserable condition; still, they say,
"enjoyment." This is foolishness. This is called illusion.
Freud, his philosophy is that that position in the womb was one of
great security, and we all want to go back to that position.
Prabhupada: Where is
security? The mother is killing them, abortion. Where is security? The
mother, under whose abdomen I have taken shelter, she is killing. Where
Pusta Krsna: Although
everyone is suffering, however, they think that "Because I am not
suffering, everyone else is suffering, and that's okay." They're
thinking that the miseries are only for others.
Prabhupada: That is another
ignorance. Everyone is dying. He is thinking, "I will not die." This is
ignorance. [remarks at man on bicycle:] He is running so fast
Cyavana: He is trying to
enjoy that machine.
Prabhupada: Enjoy means
another machine will strike, and his enjoyment will stop. There is
ship, going fast. Where he will go fast?
Prabhupada: Just like the
dog. He goes fast here and there. "Gow! Gow!" [laughter] It is like
that. He is going fast. Doggish mentality. That's all, all dogs and
cats, no human being. This civilization means they are creating only
dogs and cats, animals, go-kharah, cows and asses. They are...
We don't take them as human being. All animals.
Prabhupada: For the sake of
comfort, create another danger. Just like airplane. It is comfortable.
You can quickly go from one place to another. But as soon as on the
plane, immediately your life is at risk. There is no certainty. So this
is the way of material world. You create some comfort and you create
some greater danger also. Side by side. It cannot be unhampered
comfort. That is not possible. You create a motorcar—the same thing—you
drive very speedy and you meet accident. Railway, the accident. There
was no need. You produce your food locally and produce your milk. Then
eat, drink, and live comfortably. Chant Hare Krishna. That is wanted.
Make your life successful. Yad uttama-shloka-
gunanuvarnanam [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.22]. And if
you have got education, then describe the glories of the Lord by your
scientific and educational qualification. Yad
uttama-shloka-gunanuvarnanam [SB 1.5.22].
Brahmananda: In the
Bible there are so many things that were... about the world that were
mistakes, and then, by their scientific knowledge, they found the real
fact. Like they say the earth was flat...
Prabhupada: Bible may be
wrong, but we are talking generally. So if you are scientist, you can
say the right thing. But why should you deny God?
Brahmananda: Well, if
the book of God has made mistake, then we don't have any faith...
Prabhupada: Book of God...
Then throw it. Kick it out. But I say that you are scientist. How you
can deny God? That is our propaganda. The so-called book of God, you
throw away. But you are scientist. How can you deny the existence of
God? Why you are misleading? Bible misleading, that's all right. Why
you are misleading? That is our point.
Cyavana: For so many
centuries they took the Bible to be the authority.
Prabhupada: All right, throw
it away. You are scientist.
Cyavana: They won't.
Prabhupada: You are a
scientist. How you can deny God? Then what kind of scientist you are?
The Bible has done wrong. Throw it away. I have no objection. But you
are scientist. How you can deny God? And that is our point. Come to
this logic, that "How we can deny God?" You are speaking that from
chemical combination life is formed. Do it in the laboratory. You
cannot do it. Why you are propagating false propaganda? What kind of
scientist? Then you are also to be kicked out. If Bible is to be kicked
out you are also to be kicked out. Why you are claiming your position?
You prove first of all. You combine chemical and produce a life. And
you are making false propaganda, so you are to be kicked out. They say,
"We shall do in future." And what is the future? Then why you are at
present making false propaganda. Wait for the future. Post-dated
cheque. "In future I shall pay." Who will accept this cheque? Any
nonsense will accept.
Brahmananda: But this
world is so imperfect...
Prabhupada: The world is not
imperfect; you are imperfect rascal. You are rascal; you are imperfect.
World is not imperfect.
they have these cyclones. They come...
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Must
come because you are to be killed. You are rascal; you are to be
killed. Therefore God has created cyclone. You protect yourself if you
are scientist, if you have got power.
Cyavana: Because they are
anxious for some...
Prabhupada: Because God has
created cyclone, therefore He is perfect because you are to be killed,
blown away with your all paraphernalia, with your all scientific
laboratory and instrument. Go. Go to hell. That is perfection.
Cyavana: They are eager to
find a solution. Therefore they are forced to speculate because they
have no other way...
Prabhupada: No other way.
Cyavana: They have no other
way to learn, unless they will accept Veda, which they
won't accept. They enjoy making so many theories.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Mano-ratha:
"Chariot of mind."
dhavato bahih: by his chariot of the mind he will be driven to
this material consciousness. They have no idea of spiritual knowledge.
Therefore, we see, big, big scientists, they are thinking that
combination of matter can produce life. In spite of so much advanced
learning, they do not know what is life. They cannot create life;
still, they will theorize. How foolish they are. And as soon as you
catch his throat, "Produce life." "No, we shall do it in future." Just