Madhudvisa: Paramahamsa was... we were
discussing this morning about the species of life. We understood that
there is actually all the species of life on this one planet, or some
species don't exist here?
Prabhupada: No, everywhere
the same process. Everywhere there are living entities in different
Srutakirti: The 8,400,000
species is for the whole universe or for each planet?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. No,
Devotee: So not all of those
species are on this planet.
Prabhupada: No, all of them
Devotee: On this planet.
Madhudvisa: And the demigods
we cannot see. Like the demigods, the higher human species, we cannot
Prabhupada: You, why do you
believe on your seeing? That is the defect. That is the defect of the
Westerners. They are very deficient; still they say, "I cannot see."
What is your seeing power? Suppose if Narada comes, some demigods come,
but you cannot see. Just like when Lord Nrisimhadeva appeared, Prahlada
was seeing. "Is your God here?" "Yes." And he could not see. So why do
you believe so much on your seeing? You have to attain seeing power.
That is very good example, Prahlada... Hiranyakashipu asking Prahlada,
"Where is your God?" "My God is everywhere." "He is on the pillar?"
"Yes." So he was seeing, but he was not seeing. He became angry and
broke the pillar. "Let me see, where is your God." This is the
position. So one has to create the eyes to see things. Not that
whatever eyes you have got you can see everything. No. Just like
motorcar is being driven, a child is seeing that the car is running
automatically. And the father is seeing, "No, there is driver."
So the seeing of the child and seeing of the father is different. In
our childhood we were thinking that in the gramophone box there is a
man. And the fan there is a ghost. [laughter] I remember quite. "How
these records are being played? There must be one man. He is singing."
And the electric fan was running, I was thinking there is some ghost.
This is the way.
Madhudvisa: The demons are
trying to go to the heavenly planets by building their skyscrapers
higher and higher.
Ravana's staircase for going to the heaven. He promised that "Oh, what
is the use of austerity? I shall make a staircase directly. You can
go." As their... It is the same, Ravana's staircase and the modern
attempt to go to the moon planet, the same thing. They will never be
able to go, but imagining that "We shall do it." The same process,
Ravana's process. For how many years they are going? Since 1950?
Devotee: To the moon
Prabhupada: Yes, moon
Devotee: Maybe 1955.
Devotee: The first moon
landing was 1961.
Prabhupada: That is
beginning. First of all they sent dog. [laughter]
Madhudvisa: Space dog. Space
Prabhupada: Huh? Space mouse.
Devotee: Space monkey also.
Prabhupada: So since 1955
even. So twenty years, what they have done?
Devotee: Spent billions of
Prabhupada: Yes, simply they
have brought little dust, that's all.
Madhudvisa: Now they have
found that that same dust is here on the earth.
Prabhupada: Yes. Simply
propaganda. They are not going. Now the Russian scientist and American
scientist are combined. Because both of them thieves, so one thief is
asking, "Don't expose me. I will not expose you, so that our business
will go on." This is the way. "Let us combine together and cheat these
rascals, and otherwise, if you expose me, then I will expose you. Then
our business will stop."