Prabhupada: They have not gone to the moon
Prabhupada: Yes. It is far,
far away. Their calculation is wrong. They are going to a wrong planet.
Paramahamsa: It must be the
Prabhupada: Yes, or something
else. Not moon planet.
Paramahamsa: How many...
Prabhupada: It is above the
Paramahamsa: Moon planet is
Paramahamsa: Oh. Because they
say that the moon planet is the closest planet to the earth. That is
their calculation. And they say that it orbits around the earth, and
then that the earth orbits the sun.
Prabhupada: All wrong. What
is the... According to them, what is the distance of sun planet?
Paramahamsa: Sun planet is
Ganesa: They say the moon
planet is only 250,000 miles.
Prabhupada: It is wrong thing.
Paramahamsa: Is their
calculation for the distance of the sun wrong also?
Paramahamsa: 93,000,000? It
says in the Bhagavatam exactly what the distance?
Prabhupada: The whole
universe, diameter, is panchshat-koti-yojana. One yojana
equal to eight miles, and one koti is ten miles, er, ten
million. So panchashata, fifty into 10,000,000 into eight.
Paramahamsa: Yeah. So it's
fifty crores yojana. Fifty crores yojanas?
Prabhupada: Yes, fifty crore yojanas,
panchashat. So one yojana equal to eight miles,
one crore equal to ten million.
Paramahamsa: That's eighty
Paramahamsa: Eighty million
Paramahamsa: Means 400,000,000
Srutakirti: Hmm. More than
that. Four billion.
Paramahamsa: Four thousand
million, which is four billion?
Srutakirti: Four billion
Paramahamsa: Four billion
miles is the diameter.
Prabhupada: Is the diameter.
Paramahamsa: You gave that in
The Teachings of Lord Chaitanya also.
Prabhupada: Yes. And the sun
is in the middle.
Paramahamsa: So two billion
miles from the edge of the universe.
Prabhupada: Yes. And they
Srutakirti: That's from the
earth to the sun. That's not from the sun to the edge. That's from
earth to the sun.
Amogha: Is earth near the
edge of the universe?
Prabhupada: No. There are
many other planets down. Seven planetary system.
Paramahamsa: The higher
planetary systems are closest to the sun? And then...
Prabhupada: No, sun is the
middle. This is circumference. Sun is the middle. And the whole
diameter is fifty lakhs and... What is...? And moon is above, 200,000 yojanas
above the sun.
Paramahamsa: Ah. 200,000 yojanas.
That means 1,600,000 miles above the sun.
Prabhupada: Above the sun.
How they'll go? [laughter] They are going to the wrong... bluffing
only. I am repeatedly saying, they have never gone, simply bluff. How
it is that they brought some dust? So brilliant, it is blazing, full.
There is fire blazing.
Paramahamsa: They say that
they measured the moon and that it's very small compared to the earth,
Prabhupada: All wrong.
Paramahamsa: If it's a longer
distance than the sun but still it appears so big in the sky, it must
be a very large planet.
Prabhupada: Yes. Similarly
Venus and others, they are also above.
Paramahamsa: Oh, above the
Prabhupada: The sun is moving
near about that. This is one universe, and there are thousands and
millions of universe. Jagad-anda-koti. Yasya prabha prabhavato
jagad-anda-koti [Brahma-samhita 5.40]. That is
God's creation. And they are becoming God, "I am God." Yasyaika-nishvasita-kalam
athavalambya [Bs. 5.48]. If we simply think of the creation of
God, we can appreciate how great He is.
Paramahamsa: That's why it's
described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: They say, "God is
great," but they do not know how great He is. That is explained in the
Vedic literature. Of course, those who are saying "God is great," they
are pious. And those who are saying that "I am God," how foolish they
are. Therefore I say that anyone who says, "I am God," immediately kick
with your shoes on his face. Such a cheater.
Amogha: There is... One of
the disciples of Guru Maharaj-ji, Bala Yogesvara, is in Perth. They
have their center here. And he is giving lectures daily, and many
people are attending.
Prabhupada: That he is God.
Amogha: There was an article
in the paper yesterday from India that says that the Indian court has
banned Guru Maharaj-ji from leaving India. They have issued an order
that he must stay until the court has finished because his brother is
suing. Because his brother published a photo showing Guru Maharaj-ji
embracing and kissing an American girl in the paper. So the Guru
Maharaj-ji published a picture of his brother doing the same thing. But
they say it was a fake photo, so the court is holding him in India, and
they're having a legal battle, suing each other to see who is God.
Paramahamsa: It seems like
these demons who say that they are God, eventually they will end up
destroying each other.
Prabhupada: Yes. Now they are
fools, rascal, bluffing, but even the scientists, they are also
bluffing. Now Russia and America combined together, going? Just see
where they are going.
Paramahamsa: Here's one
article about scientists in the paper. It says, "Wonder food will help
control heart disease." They say they have a new way of feeding beef
and poultry so that the food now, when they eat the beef, it won't give
them heart attack.
Paramahamsa: They say if they
feed them a special diet they have found it changes the cholesterol
level in the beef, so if they eat it, they won't get heart attack like
they used to. And it says, "The director of the National Heart
Foundation, Ralph Reeder, said he believed the process was one of the
most significant contributions in recent years toward controlling heart
disease. 'It should not be taken lightly by skeptics. It is a world's
first,' he said."
Amogha: Now they are also
thinking that different types of meat cause cancer, not only heart
disease but cancer.
Ganesa: What have the
scientists got to gain by bluffing?
Material world means they want some material gain, some adoration, and
some fame. That's all. This is material world. So if by bluffing you I
get some material profit and adoration and fame, why shall I not do it?
Everyone is doing that.
Amogha: That's the cheating
Prabhupada: Yes. In material
world they have come to imitate God—adoration, fame, material profit.
Just like this man. He has come to this country. He is getting money,
he is getting woman, and becoming God amongst the fools. He is
satisfied. That's all. This is not gain? If I get woman, money and
adoration, is it not gain for me?
Ganesa: Yes, just like
Materialistic man means he wants all these things in different way.
Somebody is becoming God, somebody is becoming philosopher, somebody is
becoming scientist, in this way. Real purpose is these three things: abha-puja-pratishtha
[woman, money and adoration]. And
our philosophy? We don't want anything of this. Just see. Negation. Na
dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Antya 20.29, Shikshashtaka 4]. Say... All denial, "We
don't want." That is Vaishnavism. Then what do you want? "We want
simply to serve Krishna." This is our position. They don't want to
serve Krishna; they want to imitate Krishna. And that is their