of human society founded on wrong understanding
Prabhupada: Yes, yes, you should not be
falsely proud. The whole material world is falsely proud. Their whole
program is to defy God. And our program is to declare war against these
rascals. Everyone is trying to defy God. What do you think, scientist?
Svarup Damodar: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. But their
duty should have been, scientist's duty should have been that "God has
created so wonderful things. So glorify God." That should have been the
scientist's duty, "How nicely He has made!" That is scientist's duty,
Prajapati: In the early days
of science, about three, four hundred years ago, Srila Prabhupada, many
of the early scientists were persecuted by the church for their
discoveries. So since that time, the scientists have declared war on
religion, and they have been doing their best to try to disprove all
Prabhupada: What they have
discovered? These four hundred years, the scientists said that there is
Prajapati: No, they were...
One scientist, Galileo, he was making all kinds of inquiries into
saying that the earth is round and so many things, and the church of
that day, the rascal priests, they put him to death because he was
saying things that were not in the scriptures. Since that time,
especially the last hundred years, the scientists are...
Prabhupada: No, the thing is
that it is the government's duty to see that nobody is rascal, either
the scientist is rascal or the priest is rascal. There must be real
understanding. That is government's duty. Otherwise, if the priest
says, "The scientist speaking against religion; therefore he should be
hanged," so that is not good government. Government must see that
whether the scientist is speaking the truth. That sense must be there.
Yes, world is round. That is fact. Goloka. In Vedic literature
it is bhu-gola, jagad-anda. These words are there. We can see
also it is round, jagad-anda. The universe is round. And Goloka.
Or Bhu-gola. Bhu-gola, the earth is round. So in the Vedic
literatures... Therefore their knowledge is also imperfect because they
do not refer to the Vedic literatures. It is already there. Bhu-gola.
Bhu means the earth; gola means round. It is already there.
And the geography's called, according to Sanskrit, it is called Bhu-gola.
Long, long ago, before Galileo. So if the state is blind, he does not
see whether he's talking right or wrong, then havi chandra raja
gobi chandra mantri (?). What can be done? That is going on.
Because the government means a set of fools, so all foolish people are
flourishing. Government is a set of fools because sinful men. They
cannot be intelligent. A sinful man cannot be intelligent. Yes. That's
a fact. If he's intelligent, then his intelligence is used for wrong
things. Dushkritina. Kritina. Kritina means intelligent, but dushkritina,
badly intelligent, for doing wrong things.
Svarup Damodar: Of course,
there is a gap of understanding.
Svarup Damodar: There is a
gap of understanding.
Prabhupada: Gap of
understanding because the basic principle is wrong, because everyone is
fool. And they are trying to understand things with their foolish
background. There is the wrong. They are trying to be advanced in
knowledge on the foolish background. They do not accept that, that they
are foolish rascals. And they are trying to advance in knowledge,
active-foolish, fourth class men. Their background is wrong. No
scientist, no politician, no philosophers, at the present moment,
believe in this, that there is soul, and the soul is transmigrating
from one body
... Nobody believes it. So their whole background is foolish. So their
so-called advancement must be all foolish. They're all fools, rascals,
animals. An animal does not know that there is soul and the soul is
transmigrating from one body to another. This is animal conception. You
cannot teach these pigeons that "You are spirit soul. Your body's
different from you." They will, they have no power to understand. So if
a human being cannot understand, what is the difference between these
pigeons and cats and dogs and him? Then basic principle is wrong. Just
like in mathematical calculation, if at one point you have mistaken,
then will that be correct ever? It will go on, mistaking, mistaking,
mistaking, mistaking. If the, if one point, while adding, you have made
two plus two equal to five, then after that, everything wrong,
everything wrong. Everything wrong. So that is their position. Their
basic principle is like animal. The animal cannot understand that there
is soul and there is transmigration of the soul. And if the human
society makes progress of their so-called knowledge on this wrong basis
understanding, then what will be the result? Everything wrong,
everything wrong, everything wrong. Everything foolish. That is stated
in the Bhagavata: parabhavas tavad abodha-jato
yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam: "If somebody does not know what
is atma-tattva, what is the science of soul, then whatever he
is making, so-called advancement that is all defeat." Parabhava.
That is being done. And defeat they are taking as success. Just like
these rascal scientists, they could not go and settle in the moon
planet. Still, they are saying, "It is success. It is success." Just
see the fun. What success? You could not stay there, and what success
you have got? Simply by seeing a crack? "Yes." That's all right,
success. And people are accepting, "Oh, yes, you are successful. Now go
to another planet." These bogus things are going on.
Svarup Damodar: They're
Prabhupada: They may call
whatever they like. But we are sane man. We cannot take the... We can
say only that "You are all defeated." They may say. A fool will never
agree that he's a fool. He'll always say, "I am very intelligent." That
is another foolishness. After spending millions of... for one coat for
going to the moon planet? Forty-thousand dollar? What is that?
Svarup Damodar: Oh. Billions
of dollars were spent.
Prabhupada: That coat?
Srutakirti: No, coat.
Karandhara: Oh yes. Millions
Prabhupada: Just see how they
are spending, squandering public money. You see? But nobody is to stop
Prajapati: The demons have
always been trying to make staircases and towers up to heaven.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Demonic.
Prajapati: In the Bible, it
is also. An attempt was made to build a big, huge tower up to heaven.
And the Lord was not very pleased with this attempt, and He scattered
all the people. ... if these world leaders and scientists could hear
your nectarean words and accept them and surrender, the world would be
a very wonderful place.
Prabhupada: Then make them.
That is your duty. I am talking to you, and you talk to them. That is parampara
system. Alone, I cannot go everywhere. Now you learn and you speak. ...
We are trying to save the state money from being unnecessarily
squandered away. The so-called scientists, politicians, they are simply
Prajapati: ...fear this
condition is hopeless.
Prabhupada: No, not at all.
You simply expose these rascals, and everything hopeful. You have to
know how to expose these rascals. That's all.