has not solved the questions
Svarup Damodar: So at some stage during the
lifetime, especially in the human form of life...
Svarup Damodar: ...one should
come to the senses...
Prabhupada: That is required.
Svarup Damodar: ...that they
Prabhupada: Not to speak like
mad man. That you are scientists, you are, "We shall solve all the
questions." This nonsense thing should stop. They should come to God
and understand what God says. Then their life is successful. God
Himself is speaking in the Bhagavad-gita. Just try to
understand. This is not meant for the dogs and cats; this is meant for
persons like Arjuna. Because Bhagavad-gita was taught to
Arjuna—for enlightened, ah, topmost class of men. They'll understand. Imam
rajarshayo viduh. Evam parampara praptam [Bhagavad-gita
4.2]. So be yourself amongst the topmost intelligent class of men and
try to understand
Bhagavad-gita. Then you'll be happy.
But if you want to remain unhappy by your whims, then what... God
cannot help you. But you have got the intelligence, independence.
Hrdayananda: So Prabhupada,
if some people say, "Well, I have no free will," that means that they
are actually lazy.
Prabhupada: Yes. You have got
free will, but must utilize it properly. That is free will. Free will
means to utilize it properly. That is free will.
Svarup Damodar: So people...
Sometimes Krishna interferes in the free will?
Svarup Damodar: Our free will.
Svarup Damodar: God
Prabhupada: Yes. That is
Krishna's special favor. Because by your free will you are going to
hell. If Krishna interferes, that is Krishna's special favor. Just like
a child is going to touch fire by free will, and father, "Eh, don't do
it." That is his special favor.
Svarup Damodar: But it's
called causeless mercy.
Prabhupada: Ah? Causeless
mercy. His mercy is already there, but we are denying the mercy. That
is the defect of material existence.
master is the mercy of God?
Prabhupada: Yes. God is
distributing His mercy from within and from without. "Without mercy" is
the spiritual master. "Without" means externally, just in front of you.
Svarup Damodar: What is life
cannot be proved by experiments. So it is not necessary to talk about
Prabhupada: [laughs] Grapes
are sour. [devotees laugh] The jackal's philosophy. The jackal came in
the orchard of grapes and tried to take some grapes. He jumped many
times, and when he failed, "Oh, there is no necessity, it is sour." It
is jackal's philosophy. Sly fox.
Svarup Damodar: They say that
ultimately there may be no difference...
Prabhupada: It is Mayavada,
Mayavada. Mayavada says brahma satyam jagan mithya. This
world is false.
Hrdayananda: They would say,
"If everything has a cause..."
Hrdayananda: "...then God
also must have a cause."
Prabhupada: No, that is God,
which has no cause. That is our definition. Everything has cause, but
when it comes to a point where there is no more cause, He is cause and
effect Himself, then that is God.
Devotee (1): So then
sometimes they say, "Well, what's to say there will ever be original
Prabhupada: That is original
cause. Anvayad itaratash cha artheshu abhijnah svarat. Satyam
param dhimahi [Srimad-Bhagavatam
1.1.1]. That is actual element, Krishna.
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah [Bg.
actual element is so complete that you take the complete from the
complete, still it is complete. Complete element means you go on taking
hundred dollars every moment, still hundred dollars.
Devotee (1): They would say
Prabhupada: That is their
ignorance. There is such a thing. Purnasya purnam. That
is Vedic information. Therefore tad-vijnanartham sa gurum
Upanishad 1.2.12]. [break] Why not? Just like we can see
materially that sunshine, for millions and millions of years it is
shiny, still it is the same temperature.
Devotee (1): But it's
Devotee: The volume of the
sun is diminishing.
Prabhupada: No, because it is
material. But we can understand that the touchstone can create gold.
Unlimitedly it can create gold. Touchstone. So, even in material
experience we'll find there is certain things which creates
unlimitedly, still it remains.
Devotee (2): There's a
Devotee (2): There is a fish
called the starfish. It has five arms, and if it loses one arm it will
grow that arm back, or that arm will grow back four other arms.
Karandhara: That's just
Prabhupada: No, no. I have
already said there is an idea that even in the insignificant material
element we find this, that one is lost, another's grown. So when the
Supreme Absolute Truth is there, how much potency? That is explained in
the Vedas. Purnasya purnam adaya purnam
Invocation]. This is the idea of the Absolute. You take the
complete from the complete, still it is complete.
Yasodamatinandan: They are so
foolish that they have accepted an entity called Infinity for the
material purposes, from mathematics and everything, and they know that
they are limited, but they will not accept that that can be a living
entity which is infinite. They can accept that there's a new number
called Infinity, but they can't understand that there can be a living
entity which is infinite too.
Prabhupada: Yes. That number
is matter. Living entity is always superior. So if in the inferior
quality, matter, it is possible, how much it is possible in the
Yasodamatinandan: And they
also admit that they're limited, they also admit that they are
fallible, so they also...
Prabhupada: Because it is
matter, it is limited, always limited. Although it appears unlimited.
Karandhara: They say they're
limited but their process is not.
Karandhara: They say their
process, the scientific process, is not limited.
Prabhupada: That is another
nonsense. If you are limited, how you can manufacture process?
Karandhara: They don't say...
They say they haven't manufactured it. They've just discovered it.
Prabhupada: No, if you are
limited, how can you discover the unlimited? Then what is the meaning
of limited? You cannot discover.
Devotee (2): But if I am
limited jiva, I can discover Krishna.
Prabhupada: Ah? No, you do
Yasodamatinandan: It's there
Prabhupada: But you know from
higher authority. You cannot discover it.
Devotee (2): Actually the
material world is never annihilated.
purnam adaya purnam evavashishyate [Ishopanishad
Devotee (2): Doesn't it rest
in Vishnu's body?
Devotee (2): When the
material world is annihilated, it still is there, is it not?
Hrdayananda: That's in the Bhagavad-gita,
the five elements are all eternal...
understand that the process is eternal, Prabhupada said.
Devotee (2): No, no, no, the
five elements are eternal.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Devotee (2): The five
elements are eternal.
Prabhupada: Eternal, but it
is manifested and not manifested. Just like conservation of energy.
That is the... Energy is manifested, sometimes not manifested.
Karandhara: But the
definition of the Absolute Truth is inconceivable, so it must violate
Karandhara: Their logic...
Prabhupada: No, it's
inconceivable by them, not by us. Therefore we call them fools. It is
not inconceivable by us. But so you know the Truth from the Truth,
Absolute Truth. A layman or a foolish boy does not know where..., which
side the sun will rise. His father can say, "This side it will rise."
That is the difference. Because he knows how to suggest which side,
because there is reddish, how do you say? Illumination. He knows that
"This side it will rise," by the symptom. Both of them, the foolish man
and the intelligent man, just at present do not see that where is the
sun. But the intelligent man knows "Here is the sun," although the sun
is not visible both to the intelligent and foolish man. That
intelligence means he knows how to find out where is sun. That is
intelligence. And this is not discovery. I am intelligent speaking
"This side is sun." It is not my discovery. I have heard from authority
that from the eastern direction the sun rises, so I know it.
Yasodamatinandan: They're so
stupid they name it Absolute Truth, but still they try to make their
own theories about the Absolute Truth.
Yasodamatinandan: In the
Vedic literatures it is stated dharmam tu sakshad
6.3.19]. They can't even understand a simple thing.
Prabhupada: No. Dharma
means the codes, the laws of God. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam
ekam... [Bg. 18.66].
This is dharma. Krishna says that
"You give up your nonsense manufactured religion. Here is religion.
Surrender unto Me." Who will deny? Any religious person will accept it.
Who will deny it? This is dharma. Krishna says sarva-dharman
parityajya mam ekam sharanam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. So who will
deny? Who is that man who will deny this statement, that one has to
surrender to the Supreme? Who will deny it? Therefore it is
dharma. You have to submit, just like the government. The
government is the supreme, who will deny? Who will deny?
Hrdayananda: Only the
Prabhupada: Only the
criminal. And he'll be punished, that's all. The result, he'll be
punished. Beaten with the shoes of policeman, that's all.
Karandhara: Some people get
away with it.
Prabhupada: For some time
he'll get away. You can get away from the police custody, but you
cannot get away from maya's custody. That is not possible.
Karandhara: But because in
all material examples there are exceptions, they say. In all material
examples there are exceptions, so they try to find that exception.
Prabhupada: Many exceptions
are there, mam eva ye prapadyante. [Bg. 7.14] Those who are devotee,
they are not under maya. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam
etam taranti te. If you do not violate the laws of God, there is
no question of being influenced by maya.
If you surrender... ...aham tvam sarva-papebhyo mokshayishyami
[Bg. 18.66]. The government protects everyone who is surrendered to
the laws of the God, government. The government will give all
protection. If he is a law-abiding citizen, he must be given
protection, all protection.
Hrdayananda: You're too
intelligent for the atheists, Prabhupada.
Hrdayananda: You're too
intelligent for the atheists.
Prabhupada: [laughs] Atheist
means criminal, they're punishable, that's all. And the more people
becoming godless, they're being punished by nature.
speaking of that which is beyond their power
Devotee (2): Actually by the
law of conservation of energy reincarnation can be explained.
Devotee (2): By their own law.
Hrdayananda: Why shouldn't
consciousness also be conserved?
Devotee (2): Consciousness is
Prabhupada: Yes. Energy of
the soul. As soon as the soul is passed from the body, there is no more
consciousness. It is very easy to understand. They cannot explain why
the consciousness stops. They cannot explain. But that is the symptom. Yena
sarvam idam, avinashi tu tad viddhi, yena sarvam idam, in the
Bhagavad-gita. [Bg. 2.17]
That thing which is spreading the energy all over
the body, that is eternal. Now, what is that thing which is spreading
the consciousness? It is the soul. So long the soul is there, you have
got consciousness, otherwise there is no consciousness. Very plain
word. Avinashi tu tad viddhi. Just try to understand that
thing which is spreading consciousness all over the body. Just like a
small grain of poison. As soon as you take it, immediately it will
spread all over the blood. Even a small grain. And then how much
powerful is that spiritual spark?
Devotee (2): So the grain is
carried by the blood. What is the spiritual spark carried by?
Prabhupada: Spiritual spark
is not carried by, but he resides within the body. He is carried by his
own karma, subtle, subtle desire is carried. Everyone is
carried by his desire. Why did I come here, in America? I have got a
desire to preach; therefore I've come. Otherwise I had no business to
come here. So desire. So desire carries you. That is, the rascals, they
do not know. Desire is there, they cannot see, but desire is there.
Mind is there, intelligence is there; they cannot see. That is carried.
The example is given, just like the aroma of a flower is being carried
by the air. And nobody can see, but one can feel, "Oh, it is very good,
nice aroma. Wherefrom it is coming?" But he has no eyes to see either
the aroma or the air. Similarly, the soul after destruction of this
body is being carried by the desire, but they have no eyes to see what
is that desire, what is that soul, what is that intelligence. They are
saying, "There is no soul." This is mostly stupidity.
Prabhupada: Simply stupids.
Hrdayananda: So if someone is
Krishna conscious, then nothing can be hidden from him.
Hrdayananda: If someone is
Krishna conscious, then...
Prabhupada: Yes, because he
learned from Krishna. Krishna says avinashi tu tad viddhi yena
sarvam, na jayate na mriyate va..., na hanyate hanyamane sharire
[Bg. 2.20]. So we are...
Krishna consciousness means you are taking
what Krishna says. Therefore... [break] And then you judge in your own
way, you'll find, "Yes, it's all right." Avinashi tu tad viddhi
yena sarvam idam tatam. At the present moment, because your,
these blunt eyes cannot see the soul, you have to learn it by
appreciation. Avagama. It is called avagama.
Appreciation. Just like Krishna says that tad viddhi,
that, that thing which is spreading consciousness, that is soul. Now
you can perceive there must be something which is now absent, otherwise
why there is no consciousness? Where is the difficulty? If you do not
see, you can't understand it. Just like the same example, when good
aroma is carried. So somebody says, "This good aroma is coming because
the air passing through a flower garden, therefore this aroma." Now
this is a fact, but you cannot see the aroma or the air. But you hear
from an experienced man. That is the way of understanding which is
beyond your sense perception. But these rascals, simply they are
depending on their blunt senses, these stupids, so-called scientists.
Therefore they're stupids. They simply believe on their eyes. They do
not know how much defective these eyes and senses are, incomplete. That
they do not know. They believe on their defective senses. Akshaja.
Akshaja, experiment. Everything experimented. Veda
says don't try to explain which is beyond your sense. How you will
explain? It is not possible. Achintyah khalu ye bhava na tams
tarkena yojayet. [Mahabharata]
It is achintya, it is beyond your
conception. Why you are wasting your time?
Svarup Damodar: But a
scientist will say that "I can show you what the aroma looks like."
Prabhupada: They cannot show
you, that is another stupidity. Who can deny
that Krishna says that avinashi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam,
there is a thing within the body which is eternal? And what is that
thing which is spreading consciousness? And you show what is that thing
which is spreading consciousness. Then I shall accept you as scientist.
Karandhara: They would say,
"How can we believe Krishna?"
Prabhupada: No, you don't
believe, that here is a fact! That there is something within the body
which is spreading consciousness. That is eternal. There's no question
of believing. It is a fact. Now you show, what is that fact? Where is
Svarup Damodar: They'll say
it's just biochemical reactions.
You simply do it, rascal. You cannot do it. You
rascal, simply speak, but you cannot do it. That is our contention.
Therefore you are
rascal. You speak something which is beyond your power. Yes. Therefore
is simply cheating people. And we, Krishna conscious men, we want to
stop these cheating, any way...
Karandhara: They'd say we
also cannot prove the soul is eternal.
Prabhupada: No, there is
proof. There is something. We accept it, but you don't accept it. There
are so many things, there are so many things. You do not see, but still
you accept it. Just like without father there cannot be son. Now you
have not seen your father, but mother says, "Here is your father." You
have to believe it. It is a fact.
Karandhara: That example
falls within the range of their experience, because they
can also be a father.
Prabhupada: No, not to your
experience. But a superior experience, say mother.
Prabhupada: Not your
experience. You cannot say by experience who is your father. Your
mother can say.
Karandhara: No, but the
example that I have a father can be appreciated because I can also be a
Prabhupada: But therefore if
that appreciation is there, that avinashi tu tad viddhi yena...,
the consciousness is spreading from the soul, so you have to appreciate
there must be something from which consciousness comes. That you cannot
Karandhara: They say it is
Prabhupada: No, but then you
replace consciousness by a biochemical combination. That you cannot do.
Devotee (2): When the baby is
Karandhara: But just because
they say, "Because we can't do it yet..."
Prabhupada: No, no, no. You
cannot do, therefore you are rascal. You're talking all nonsense. You
cannot do it—how you speak?
Karandhara: Up till two
hundred years ago they weren't able to fly...
Prabhupada: Want two
hundred..., no, we want immediately, we don't want blank cheque. [
devotees laugh] Rascal blank cheque. Postdated blank
check. [laughter] We don't believe. We must have real cash.
Devotee (2): And then they
will admit actually that their senses are limited.
Karandhara: No, then they'll
want to see the soul...
Devotee: They want to see
a soul as eternal.
actually this knowledge is so absolute, in the
Bhagavad-gita it is said that pratyakshavagamam dharmyam.
You can actually experience...
Yasodamatinandan: ...just by
taking bhakti you can see that your purification comes...
actually intelligence comes from Krishna. So if actually one is
sincere, then Krishna will give him intelligence that "Yes, actually
there is a soul, and actually I'm the Supersoul."
Karandhara: That intelligence
Prabhupada: No, no, my senses
are defective. But the source from which I know, that is not defective.
I cannot experimentally know who is my father. But the source from whom
I understand, that is perfection.
Yasodamatinandan: In other
words they'll get confirmation within their heart. They'll be
satisfied, that "Yes, Krishna is God," if they are sincere.
Prabhupada: Yes. If they are
sincere. That is the budha. Budha bhava-samanvitah
[Bg. 10.8]. Others, rascals cannot know. Mudha
naradhama. They cannot.
Devotee (2): They'll say
you're sincerely brainwashed.
Devotee (2): They'll say
you're sincerely brainwashed.
Prabhupada: Brainwashed? Why?
These are facts.
Yasodamatinandan: But we
still have some basis...
Prabhupada: [Addressing the
scientists] If you cannot
reply, you're simply misrepresenting scientists. We say there must be
something which is spreading consciousness. Now how can you deny it? It
is not brainwash. There must be something. Now if you are scientist,
you find out.
Hrdayananda: That which is
Prabhupada: Yes. What is that
thing which is spreading consciousness?
Hrdayananda: So if they say
it is the chemical, but they can't do that, they can't...
Prabhupada: Yes, you put the
chemicals. Just like I have sent my car, it is not running, so they
know how it will run. They know. Therefore I say, "But if you do not
know, you're speaking nonsense. You do not know anything. And as soon
as you are captured, you say 'Yes, in future I shall know.'" What is
this? The same, postdated blank cheque, which has no value. Will the
postdated cheque, will it be accepted by anyone? Suppose you give me a
postdated cheque. If I'm paying, what is this nonsense? This is all
nonsense. "Future." [devotees laugh] No future, sir. Immediately. Cash
Hrdayananda: So that's
Prabhupada: Ah. That is
as scientists when they don't know
Karandhara: But they'll say,
"But you also cannot show us."
Prabhupada: No, I can show
you. I say, there must be something. There must be something.
Karandhara: We say it's a
spirit; they say...
Prabhupada: Whatever it may
be there, I say "something." You find out that something. I say
something. I don't say spirit, matter or anything. Something.
Karandhara: Yes, they say
that they look...
Prabhupada: Ah, that is their
cheating. Find out now, and I accept that they're scientists. Yes. Cash
money, sir. Then I shall know that you are rich man. You want to cheat
me with the paper?
Svarup Damodar: That's why
they'll say that "We are doing research."
Prabhupada: That means
that... Then don't talk that you are scientists. You are student. You
are trying to learn. You're student. You cannot say that you are
Hrdayananda: So regardless of
our position, they are not qualified.
Prabhupada: Their system is
to remain a student and pose as teacher, their system. They're trying
to learn it, and still they're posing as teacher. Teacher means one who
knows. He does not know; still he poses in the post of a teacher.
cheating simply. Little knowledge, cheating. Little knowledge.
simply like neti neti. "Not this, not this."
Prabhupada: "Not this." Yes.
By negation. Definition by negation. Not positive definition. They say
"it is not this." But what it is they cannot say. That is their
Karandhara: Either they
accept our evidence or...
Prabhupada: No, therefore
they are fools. That is a fact. Any child can understand that
... And even they're less than a child. If I say there is something,
therefore there is consciousness, any boy can understand. But they
cannot understand. Less than a boy.
Karandhara: They say there's
no proof that something...
Prabhupada: That is the
proof. That is the proof.
Devotee (2): Yes, their own
law of conservation.
Karandhara: No, I'm talking
about the individuality...
Prabhupada: No, no.
Individuality... There are so many proofs, there are so many proofs,
how you can say it is not?
Devotee (2): By their own
Prabhupada: No, no, not that.
It is different subject. That something is missing within the body,
therefore it is dead. So what is your answer? We say something is
missing. We shall decide what is that something later on. That
something is missing. If you suggest that something is chemical
combination, then you do it. Therefore do not know. I say something is
missing. If you know, then you replace that something, then you'll know.
Karandhara: What do we say
that something is?
Prabhupada: No... That
everyone, any layman can understand, that this dead body is unconscious
because something is missing. Any layman can understand. If you know
that, then you replace it. I don't say I know, but I say something is
missing. You have to
accept also that. But if you know that something, then you replace it.
Otherwise you also do not know. Then why you are talking of big, big
word? You do not know. But something is
missing. That is accepted by everyone.
Bhakta das: [laughs] So we
both don't know.
Prabhupada: Ah? No, I know
better than you. Because you are a fool... I'm a fool, but you are a
and still you are posing you know. That is the difference.
Karandhara: They may say, "We
don't know, but we're trying to find out."
Prabhupada: That also... Then
why I shall give you better position?
Karandhara: We are also
trying to find out.
Prabhupada: Then why should I
give you better position? You're on the same level with me. Why you are
posing as "I am scientist"? You are a fool, you admit I am fool, you
admit you are a fool. But why you are posing as scientist?
Svarup Damodar: Because they
will say that they have a..., they are trying to find out experimental
Prabhupada: You have not
found out, that's a fact. As I have not found, therefore you are
equally fool like me. Don't pose yourself better than me.
Karandhara: If we're both
is the authority?
Yasodamatinandan: But at
least we are accepting some authority which is supposedly very
authorized by great saints, sages...
Karandhara: They have also
Prabhupada: And all the
authorities... No, therefore these persons who do not accept authority,
Karandhara: They are
Prabhupada: But they're
accepting authority who is not authority.
Devotee (4): Darwin, they're
accepting Darwin as authority.
Karandhara: They say, "But
why should we accept any one of your authorities?"
Prabhupada: No, then you come
to argument, reason, then whether Darwin is authority or Krishna is
authority, we have to decide.
Yasodamatinandan: They accept
like, "I have not seen President Nixon, but I accept because I read in
the newspaper." So somebody says that, well, by following this bhakti
you can see Krishna, but they will not accept that.
Devotee (2): Why should they
accept Krishna as authority over Darwin authority?
Prabhupada: Ah? Because He's
Yasodamatinandan: Great sages.
Prabhupada: ...great sages,
saintly persons, scholars...
Devotee (2): By many
Prabhupada: Then fool's
paradise it is called... It is folly to be wise where ignorance is
bliss. That is the only conclusion.
Karandhara: That's what they
say about us.
Prabhupada: Because this
world is all full of fools, so it is very difficult to push on. That we
know. Therefore we should not go to the mudhas.
Svarup Damodar: Birds of a
feather flock together.
Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes.
Hrdayananda: So they can go
to Darwin's planet, we'll go to Krishna's planet.
Prabhupada: Yes. [laughs]
Devotee: But how will we
bhutejya bhutani. [Bg. 9.25]
defeat them by giving them prasadam, right, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: To cure their
disease, you have to give them prasadam, and give them chance
to hear Hare Krishna. This is valuable. Just like a man suffering from
jaundice, he sees everything yellow, and if you say, "No, it is not
yellow. White" "No, I see yellow." What can be done, then the medicine
has to be given. He'll never say it is white. He'll say it is yellow,
because he is suffering. You have to cure. The Krishna consciousness
method is curing the disease of jaundice. We have
to show them mercy. It is not a question of defeat. Just like a
diseased person is talking nonsense, so doctors takes care, "All right,
go on talking nonsense. Take this medicine." [devotees laugh] That is
Prabhupada: Yes, already
defeated by nature. Mayayapahrita-jnana. That is stated, apahrita-jnana.
Maya is taking their all knowledge, and because maya
is taking their all knowledge, the preaching is required. [break]
Yasodamatinandan: So why
wouldn't, why couldn't they accept that such simple thing?
Prabhupada: They're not wise.
Mudha. Na mam prapadyante mudhah [Bg. 7.15].
Because they always engage in sinful activities. These are the
symptoms, cause of their disease. They're sinful, they're rascal,
lowest of the mankind, and whatever knowledge they are proud of, that
is maya, and the basic principle is they're asuras,
Yasodamatinandan: Just like a
prisoner trying to demand explanation from the King...
Devotee (2): Srila
Prabhupada, when someone is sick, he willingly goes to the doctor.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the
injunction of the Vedas. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum
eva... [Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.12]. Therefore these
rascals should go to a bona fide guru.
Just like if you
are diseased, you are suffering the pains, so naturally you shall be
inclined how to reduce the pain, how to get out of...
Devotee (2): But the
Prabhupada: But these
rascals, even though are suffering three kinds of pains, tri-tapa-yatna.
Just like why you are covered? Because there is pain. Severe cold,
similarly severe heat. So we are suffering, either summer season or
winter season. We are suffering, tri-tapa-yatna. There is
suffering from our mind, from our body—this is natural suffering. There
is bodily suffering, mental suffering,
then suffering caused by other living entities. So we are always
suffering. But still they're thinking that "We are happy." The disease
is already there. Ah? Just like the Arabian do not want to give you
petrol. That means there's suffering caused by other nations. So this
is going on. They're simply trying to settle up. But the suffering is
there. But they're not in their knowledge, that in spite of all their
endeavors, the sufferings are there. What is the cause? Then whom shall
I go to ask why the suffering is there?
Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum [MU 1.2.12]. Therefore you must
approach a person who knows how the suffering should be mitigated.
Yasodamatinandan: But there's
so many so-called gurus, Prabhupada, how...
Prabhupada: Then you cannot
go to the so-called.
Yasodamatinandan: How can you
convince that we are the real genuine people?
Prabhupada: That you will
have to learn, just like you have to go to school, there is injunction.
But if you do not know what is school, go to a cow farmer, then that
is your fault. If I say, "You go and purchase this from the market,"
suppose you have to purchase gold, but you go to a storefront, milk
seller, how you will get the gold? That intelligence you must have,
that where gold can be had. You must go to the person who is dealing
really with gold. But if you do not know, then you will be cheated.
That much knowledge you must have.
Hrdayananda: That is book
Devotee (2): Just like there
are some good schools and some bad schools.
Prabhupada: And because now
they're so fallen, they do not go, neither they know; therefore we are
canvassing, "Here is a school."
Devotee (2): Yes.
Prabhupada: That is our
business. "Here is knowledge, come on."
Yasodamatinandan: Still they
Prabhupada: That is their
Yasodamatinandan: This is the
only knowledge. Everybody else is distributing ignorance.
1. Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.1—Anvayad
itaratash cha artheshu abhijnah svarat. Satyam param dhimahi: "I
meditate upon Lord Sri Krishna because He is the Absolute Truth and the
primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and
destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly
conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is
no other cause beyond Him." [Back to Text]
2. Bhagavad-gita 10.8—aham
sarvasya prabhavo/ mattah sarvam pravartate/ iti matva bhajante mam/
budha bhava-samanvitah : "I am the
source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from
Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service
and worship Me with all their hearts. " [Back
3. Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.12—tad
vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet/ samit-panih shrotriyam
brahma-nishtham: "To learn the transcendental subject matter,
one must approach a spiritual master. The symptom of such a spiritual
master is that he is expert in understanding the Vedic conclusion and
therefore he constantly engages in the service of the Supreme
Personality of Godhead." [Back to Text]
4. Ishopanishad Invocation—om
purnam adah purnam idam/purnat purnam udachyate/purnasya purnam
adaya/purnam evavashishyate : "The Personality of Godhead is
perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all
emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly
equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole
is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even
though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete
balance. " [Back to Text]
5. Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.3.19—dharmam
bhagavat-pranitam: "Real religious principles are enacted by the
Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of
goodness, even the great rishis who occupy the topmost planets
ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the
leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary
beings, Vidyadharas and Charanas. " [Back
6. Bhagavad-gita 18.66—sarva-dharman
parityajya mam ekam sharanam vraja : "Abandon all varieties of
religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all
sinful reaction. Do not fear. " [Back to
7. Bhagavad-gita 7.14—mam eva
ye prapadyante: "This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the
three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who
have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it. " [Back to Text]
8. Bhagavad-gita 2.17—avinashi
tu tad viddhi/ yena sarvam idam: "Know that which pervades the
entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the
imperishable soul. " [Back to Text]
9. Bhagavad-gita 2.20—na
jayate mriyate va kadachin/ nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah/ ajo
nityah shashvato 'yam purano/ na hanyate hanyamane sharire :
"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been,
does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying
and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." [Back to Text]
10. Mahabharata, Bhishma Parva
5.22—achintyah khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojayet:
"One should not try to understand the
supreme cause by argument or reasoning. When we are beset by some
problem for which we can find no reason, there is no alternative than
to surrender to the Supreme Lord and offer Him our respectful
obeisances. " [Back to Text]
11. Bhagavad-gita 9.25—yanti
deva-vrata devan/ pitrin yanti pitri-vratah/ bhutani yanti bhutejya/
yanti mad-yajino 'pi mam : "Those who worship the demigods will
take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits
will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to
the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me. " [Back to Text]