Devotee: The scientists say that everything
had its origin with a big bang. All of a sudden one day there was a big
bang and everything came into being.
Prabhupada: What is that big
bang? You do not know. It is your suggestion. Big bang means big brain
or what? Big bang? What is that, a big bang?
Prabhupada: Noise? Big bang,
what is that big bang?
Devotee: The scientists say
that in the beginning the universe wasn't created, and then all of a
sudden there was a big explosion and everything just kind of happened.
Everything just came into being.
Prabhupada: But how all of a
sudden there can be explosion? What is this nonsense proposition? As
soon as there is question of explosion, before the explosion takes
place, there must be some arrangement. The time bomb explosion. So the
bomb is prepared by something, some bomb is kept by somebody, and after
some time it explodes. So how all of a sudden? Where does he get this
idea? Just like if there is bomb explosion here, a child may think,
"All of a sudden there is a bomb explosion," but a sane man will not
think that. There will be inquiry, "Who kept this bomb? Who brought
this bomb?" That is sanity. "And all of a sudden explosion," this is
all rascal proposal. Therefore the people have become so rascal, guided
by these rascals, "All of a sudden, by chance," and they accept them as
scientist... This is the drawback of the present civilization. Because
they are shudras, like animals, they have got no brain to
answer that "How all of a sudden there can be explosion." They have no
brain even to ask. Rather, they are giving Nobel Prize. This rascal is
speaking like a rascal, still, he should get Nobel Prize. That is the
defect. The people at the present moment, they are all rascals. Just
like animals. And yes, actually they are animals. Just like animals are
eating, sleeping, mating, and eating meat. The other one animal is
eating another animal. That's all. No discretion, nothing. This is a
civilization of animals, polished animals. Their consciousness has
become animalistic. Just like children. They are animals, just like
animals. They have no fixed program. Whatever they like, they are
doing. Whatever they like, they are speaking. Simply they are
interested in eating. So at the present moment, because they have lost
all their power of reasoning and understanding, they are all animals.
"All of a sudden there is an explosion." How explosion can take place
like that? Any sane human being will ask that "How is that?" Same
example: If there is some explosion in the park, a rascal will say,
"All of a sudden there is explosion." But the government, police
department, immediately inquire, "How this bomb came? Wherefrom? Who
placed it?" That is humanity. That is human reasoning. "And all of a
sudden there is explosion," you have to accept that. You accept that?
Devotee: I don't accept it.
Prabhupada: Then? No sane man
will accept. The so-called scientists, begin, all beginning is like
that. "There were chemicals, these chemicals." Now wherefrom these
chemicals came? Who placed these chemicals? They do not ask. Because
they are fools, the other fools bluff them and they accept it. But we
are not going to accept. We shall inquire. And that is human
Giriraja: But they may say
"Where did God come from?"
Prabhupada: No, no, God, not
"come from." By experience you are speaking that things are... Just
like the explosion. Explosion was there because God was there.
Therefore God is there. The explosion cannot take place by chance, all
of a sudden. There was somebody, some brain, and that brain is God.
Because you say all of a sudden there was explosion, therefore that is
the proof of existence of God. Is it clear or not?
Devotee: Something can't come
Prabhupada: No. We have no
such experience. How we accept this nonsense statement? We have no such
experience. I can accept something that is going on. Can you show me?
So we show. You study with your experience. Where is your experience
that something comes all of a sudden? There is no such thing. So how
can I accept your statement? Because you say, "There was explosion,"
that means there is God. That means there is God. So what is your
argument? You say that "Why you bring God?" I bring God because you
say, "There was explosion."
Giriraja: No, you're saying
that "Something cannot come from nothing."
Giriraja: So therefore this
explosion came from God. But then where did God come from?
Prabhupada: That is God. God
is always existing. Not "come from." That is God.
Nityo nityanam. You are also existing. This knowledge, they are
lacking. Just like I am, you are, we are eternal. We are eternal. We
are changing body. Because they do not believe or do not try to
understand that I am not this body, therefore the whole mistake is
Devotee: The scientists would
use the same argument. The scientists would say, "Well, since I have
not experienced that I am eternal, therefore how can I accept that I am
Prabhupada: Yes, you are
eternal. Because you were a child and now you are grown up, but you
know that you were a child. Therefore you are eternal. You were a
child, but you have no that child's body. Now you have got a different
body. So although you have got different body, you know that you had a
body like a child. Therefore body has changed. You have not changed.
That is eternity.
Giriraja: And nobody wants to
Prabhupada: Nobody wants to
Giriraja: If the soul is not
eternal, where has that desire...
Prabhupada: No. This is
eternity. This is practical eternity. You have changed so many times
your body, but you are the same person. Therefore you are eternal, in
spite of changing body. This is simple argument.
Prajapati: I used that
argument once, Srila Prabhupada, and the scientists said to me, "It is
the chromosomes, the tiny chromosomes that do that change."
Prabhupada: That is their
jugglery of words, these rascals. [laughter] "Chromosome, promosome."
He will manufacture some word. But where is your chromosome of child
body? What is that child body? Where it has gone? If you know,
"chromosome, promosome," where has your child's body gone? That is the
difficulty. These rascals, they do not know anything. Still, they are
teachers and manufacture some jugglery of words. That's all. That is
the difficulty. "Chromosome." What is that chromosome? What does it
Prajapati: It is a tiny
structure of organic matter that can constantly reproduce...
Prabhupada: That's all right.
When reproduce, the last body is gone.
Prajapati: They say that the
chromosomes that are transferred from father to son...
Prabhupada: Still, the
father's body is not the son's body. It is different body.
Prajapati: It has come from
Prabhupada: That all right,
but the father's body is different. The father's pains and pleasure and
the son's pains and pleasure are not the same. It may be that the
father has given the ingredient of the body, but that does not mean the
father's body and the son's body the same. Neither the mind is same,
neither intelligence is same. It is all different. Otherwise why a son
becomes disobedient to the father, "I don't agree with you"? That
means, "Your intelligence, your mind, is different from my mind. I
cannot agree with you." Therefore everything is different.
Devotee: They can accept that
our bodies are changing now, but in the next life they have no
experience of this.
Prabhupada: No, next life,
this is experience. You were a child, this is your next life.
Devotee: They can see this
body change, but the next life, they cannot see.
Prabhupada: That means you
have no... You cannot see so many things. Does it mean that it does not
exist? What is the value of your eyes? That I already explained. You
cannot see. Now it is misty. You cannot see anything. Does it mean your
eyes are perfect. How you can see? Your eyes are not perfect. What you
cannot see, you have to hear. Suppose in a distant place I cannot see.
"What is that light?" I say. But if somebody knows, "Oh, that light is
from..., there is a skyscraper building like this, and the light is
coming." So I know what I cannot see, I can hear. Therefore what you do
not see, next life, you have to hear from authority. That is stated in
, tatha dehantara-praptih: [Bhagavad-gita
2.13] "As you have changed so many times in this life, this body,
similarly, after death, you will change your body." That is authority.
You have to hear. Anything you do not, cannot perceive, you cannot
experiment with your senses, you have to hear from another person who
knows. That is the process. Why you think your eyes are so perfect that
you can see anything? Why you are thinking like rascal? Your eyes are
imperfect, and why you are thinking that eyes are perfect? That is
rascaldom. I cannot see. You cannot see so many things. Is that a right
proposition? I cannot see. What you are? What is your position of eyes?
If there is darkness, you cannot see. So does it mean that your seeing
is the only evidence? What do you think? Suppose if you are a blind
man, what can you see?
Devotee: My senses are
imperfect. I cannot see.
Prabhupada: Yes. You see
under certain condition. That's all. So how you believe in such seeing
power? Therefore we have to see through the eyes of a person who has
perfect vision. That is wanted. Why do you use microscope, telescope,
binocular? Why do you use if your eyes are perfect? Why do you use? If
you are so confident that your eyes are perfect, why do you use these
instruments? And how it is guaranteed that your instrument is also
right? Because it is manufactured by your imperfect senses. So this is
Jayahari: It is just like the
scientists. They cannot accept the existence of the soul until they see
Prabhupada: No, that is
explained. Why you are repeating that? You have no seeing power, still,
you are boast of seeing. That is your rascaldom. That is your
rascaldom. Yes. There was a question in a newspaper. A child is asking
his father, "Father, you were a girl or a boy in childhood?" Because he
has no distinction what is the boy, what is the girl, therefore he is
asking that nonsense question. Now, my second son, when he was four
years old, we were passing, and there was a big marriage party. You
know how marriage party goes?
Giriraja: Oh yes.
Prabhupada: So he was asking.
Very intelligent boy, he was asking, "What is this? What is...?" So I
also explained, "This man is going to marry." So in this way, after,
"Father, you were married?" He asked me. So this nonsense question is
there. He does not know, "Without marriage, how I am come into
existence?" So these questions are like that, childish questions. It
has no meaning. [break] ...the Vedic injunctions is tad-vijnanartham
sa gurum evabhigacchet [Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.12].
One must approach guru. Guru means heavy, who knows perfectly.
You must go there to learn. And actually it is happening. Why the
children are sent to school? When he becomes educated, the same eyes,
same hands, same legs, same body, but he becomes educated. What is the
different between educated and not educated? Because he has heard from
authorities. That's all. This is education. Without going to school, he
is not considered to be educated. Why? Because he did not hear from the
authorities. Therefore he is uneducated. Let him learn everything. He
has got the eyes. He has got the senses. Why he is sent to school? Why?
Tell me, why? He has got the eyes. Why he is sent to school for
Devotee: To hear from the
Prabhupada: Because his eyes have no
value without hearing from the authority. These are the general
psychology. He has got eyes. Let him be educated at home. Why he is
sent to school? Let him see everything. How these rascals say like
that, I am surprised. "I cannot see in my eyes." You cannot see in your
eyes what was the length and breadth of your body in the mother's womb.
But does it mean that you did not exist in the mother's womb? You
cannot see who is your father. How do you believe that this is my
father? Is that depending on your eyes? Then what is the value of your
eyes? Why these rascals say that "I do not see." These things prove
that they are rascals.
Giriraja: Most of the things
in their theories they also have not seen.
Prabhupada: They have so many
things. They simply speak like rascals. Therefore our conclusion is:
Anyone who does not know what is God, he is a rascal. That is
perfection of knowledge. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi vishnum
[Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.5.31]. These rascals, they do not
know that all knowledge is imperfect unless he comes to the platform of
knowing God. All knowledge imperfect. And that is confirmed in the
Bhagavad-gita... bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam
prapadyate [Bhagavad-gita 7.19]: "When he (is)
actually wise in knowledge, then he surrenders to God." That is
knowledge. That is knowledge. One who has surrendered to God, one who
has known God, one who is abiding by the order of God, he is the
perfect man. All others, they are rascals. Any gentleman, any sincere
man, must accept this proposition. It is so logical.