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© 2004 - Hansadutta das
[Posted Mar 17, 2007]

Missing Link, Missing Skulls, Missing Brains


His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Founder-Acharya of the world-wide Hare Krishna Movement, Brahma Sampradaya Acharya

Srila Prabhupada
Morning walk with disciples, Los Angeles, July 11, 1975

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Prabhupada: Darwin's theory. Wherefrom he begins?

Jayatirtha: He begins in the ocean. He says that some fish-type animal climbed out of the ocean and began to breathe the air.

Prabhupada: Then wherefrom the ocean came?

Devotee: He doesn't say.

Sri Govinda: In the beginning on the planet there was great turbulence and the oceans were stirring, and then there was some lightning charge.

Prabhupada: Wherefrom the lightning came? And wherefrom the ocean came? Where his philosophy is? It is a speculation.

Sri Govinda: It all began from a primeval explosion.

Prabhupada: Then same question, wherefrom the explosion came?

Satsvarupa: They say that explosion began at time zero.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Satsvarupa: Time zero. [laughter]

Prabhupada: Time zero?

Satsvarupa: Time began then, at time zero. And they say that if you ask the question, "What was before that?" that's not a logical, sensible question.

Prabhupada: Why?

Satsvarupa: They say it's a question that should not even be asked.

Prabhupada: No, then you are rascal. You are beginning from zero. How you can begin from zero?

Devotee: Everything comes from nothing then.

Prabhupada: So that is not philosophy.

Sri Govinda: They say it all originates from a giant mass of primordial matter.

Prabhupada: Then same comes..., that "Wherefrom the matter comes?"

Harikesa: They say it's an accident.

Prabhupada: That is another nonsense, another rascaldom. Where is the accident? Nothing is accident, everything is cause and effect. We say that in the beginning there was God or word of God. In Bible they say?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: So God was there and God's word was there. That is the beginning, our beginning. Janmady asya yatah [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.1]. Aham evasam agre. And Bhagavad-gita, aham sarvasya prabhavah mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. This is our philosophy, "Everything begins from God." Now you can say, "Wherefrom God came?" But that is God. God existing, He is not caused by any other cause, He is the original cause. Anadir adih: "He has no beginning, but He is the beginning of everything." This is conception of God. Anadir adir govindah [Brahma-samhita 5.1]. That adi is Govinda, person, Krishna. Krishna says, aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. We find from the history. Brahma is the beginning. He is deva, one of the demigods. Krishna says, aham adir hi devanam. So He is the cause of Brahma also. So this is our philosophy. We don't begin from zero or accident. This is not our philosophy.

Harikesa: Darwin never tried to understand the...

Prabhupada: No, no, he admitted that he speculated. He is not a philosopher, he is a speculator. He has admitted that "It is my speculation. I think like this."

Harikesa: He started his speculation from the creation of life. He didn't...

Prabhupada: Anywhere, speculation is not science nor philosophy. We don't admit. No hypothesis.

Satsvarupa: They call the Vedas speculation. They say the Upanishads are speculation.

Prabhupada: No, no, no, not speculation. Ishopanishad, ishavasyam idam sarvam [Ishopanishad mantra 1], everything beginning from isha, the supreme controller... Where is speculation?

Tamal Krsna: They say that the Vedas are written by man so they are imperfect.

Prabhupada: So you are less than a dog. It is written by man. That's all right. But you are less than a dog. You have no reason, no right. What is your philosophy? What is the value of your philosophy? It is speculation. We don't say, "It is written by man." Apaurusheya. They may say whatever they..., we don't say. If somebody says, "Your father name is that," and I know my father's name. "What you are? You are not authority to say what is my father's name. I know very well." So it is their suggestion like that, "Your father's name is this." We don't say that "My father name is..." Is that very good suggestion? You don't know anything of my family. How you say that "Your father name is this?" Is it not another rascaldom? You do not know anything about my family, and you say that "Your father's name is this." What is this logic? You cannot say what is my father's name. You do not know about my family.

Harikesa: Darwin's whole theory rests on the fact, the speculation, that he can show bones. They take these bones and these evidences, archeological...

Prabhupada: Anyway, it is not possible that he has seen all the bones. That is not possible. So taking it that he has studied by seeing the bones, but I can say very easily that it is not possible for a person like you to see all the bones. That is my challenge. How you can say that you have seen all the bones? You say, "Millions and millions of years ago..." You live for fifty years. How you have seen all the bones? That is imperfect. You are a limited person. How it is possible that you have seen all the bones? What is the answer?

Satsvarupa: They say they haven't found all the bones, but what they've found is conclusive evidence.

Prabhupada: But then you cannot do that. If you have seen all the bones, then you can conclude. You say, "Some of the missing." So how it is fact? You did not see it.

Satsvarupa: Just this year they found a skull that was millions of years older than any human skull they found before.

Prabhupada: That's all right. But still, you cannot say that you have seen all the skulls. That is not possible.

Devotee: They will say they have not even found one skull from the Vedic culture.

Prabhupada: Oh. No, Vedic culture do not keep skull, they burn it. Therefore there is no opportunity for you to see the Vedic culture. Then you become defective. Because you cannot see the skulls of Vedic culture. We burn it. So therefore your conclusion is defective.

Harikesa: So the only bones they find are the bones of the fifth, sixth, seventh-class men.

Prabhupada: Yes, of the monkey-class men. [laughter] That's all. Therefore you conclude that the man comes from monkey. That is the conclusion. Human being, Vedic culture, they burn it. So they have no opportunity to see the human being skull. The monkeys, they do not burn. So he has seen only the monkey skull, and his conclusion is, "Man is from monkey."

Brahmananda: Actually they are simply interested in bones, but this is the activity of the dog. [laughter]

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, he finds, [laughter] like that. So it is dog's philosophy. Hare Krishna.

[break] ...history in the I.A., intermediate. So a big professor, Dr. Kalidasa Nath, he began to speak, "There was stone age, simply stone there was," in this way. And I immediately..., that "What nonsense you are speaking, stone? There was nothing?" According to the anthropology of Darwin... From the very beginning, when I was a student, I did not believe this Darwin's theory. [break] ...study one after another, chronologically, as Darwin says, skull, it is not possible at all. For any single man it is not possible.

Tamal Krsna: 8,400,000 species.

Prabhupada: Yes. Has he gone down the water? Then what is the...? simply speculation.

Tamal Krsna: Factual scientific study would mean to study all 8,400,000 species?

Prabhupada: Yes, that is scientific study. But that is not possible. Therefore your theory is always imperfect because you cannot say that "I have studied all." You simply guess, "There is some gap, millions of years." So this is not study.

Brahmananda: They say even there's a missing link, a part that they cannot explain. So they admit...

Prabhupada: So that is not science.

Harikesa: It's the most important part too.

Prabhupada: Therefore we say they are rascals. And rascals will believe.

Jayatirtha: Once you said the missing link was your foot in their face. [laughter]


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