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[Posted June 7, 2006]

Seeing is Believing

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Founder-Acharya of the world-wide Hare Krishna Movement, Brahma Sampradaya Acharya

Srila Prabhupada

Morning Walk with Disciples, January 22, 1974, Hawaii


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"We will not believe unless we see"

Prabhupada: ... "Unless we see." But you see, but you cannot go. Your argument is, "Unless we see," but you are seeing there is another planet, so many hundred and thousands, millions of planets. But you cannot go there. That is your inefficiency. How can you say? Because your theory is "I must see," but you cannot go there. First of all, admit your inefficiency. Why you conclude, what is it called, abruptly, without seeing. Because seeing is your experience. But you cannot go and see. Why you are trying to go to the moon planet? Just to see. Similarly, there are so many other planets, but you are not efficient to go and see. How can you conclude?

Nitai: Well, they don't conclude. They say, there may be possibility of higher life.

Prabhupada: So that's all right. Maybe...

Satsvarupa: Agnostic, "There may be; we don't know."

Prabhupada: Huh?

Prabhupada: What is that experience? You show, make experiment, that from the monkey's body a man is coming. Show me the experiment. Nobody has seen the experiment.

Nitai: Well, in that case they say that the monkey looks so much like man; everything is practically there.

Prabhupada: Well, that doesn't mean... Every man looks like another man; that does not mean he has come from him.

Satsvarupa: "There may be God, but we don't know."

Prabhupada: That you don't know, but if somebody knows... That is not a proof, that because you cannot see. That is not proof.

Nitai: No. They just... They make this theory based on the fact that the most advanced that they've seen so far is man.

Prabhupada: Who is advanced? Nobody is advanced unless one has seen or known God. That is actually advancement. They're putting so many theories... I have not seen. Why shall I believe you? You are talking so many nonsense which is not in my experience. Why shall I believe you? Hm?

Nitai: Well, then they, then they'll tell you that, "Well, come and we'll show you this experiment."

Prabhupada: Huh?

Nitai: We show you these experiments, and then you can see too.

Prabhupada: What is that experience? You show, make experiment, that from the monkey's body a man is coming. Show me the experiment. Nobody has seen the experiment.

Nitai: Well, in that case they say that the monkey looks so much like man; everything is practically there.

Prabhupada: Well, that doesn't mean... Every man looks like another man; that does not mean he has come from him. He has got a different father.

Nitai: One experiment that they've come up with is that they study the embryo within the womb.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Nitai: They study the embryo within the womb.

Prabhupada: No, that is your experience, but I have not seen. Why shall I believe you? I have not seen. Why will I believe you? What is the answer? You say so many rascaldom, but I have not seen. Why shall I believe you?

Satsvarupa: Well, like Professor Kotovsky said to you, "We accept it because a scientific body has presented it. We can't experiment."

Prabhupada: Ah, so therefore we accept another scientific man. We accept Vyasadeva. But you don't accept. You say, "Unless we see." So why shall I accept you unless I see?

Satsvarupa: They would say for you to see everything yourself you'd have to become a trained up scientist.

Prabhupada: Similarly, similarly, you have to become like me also to see God. You cannot say that in my case you are authority, and your case I am not authority. How can you say? If you oblige me to accept you as authority, you must accept me also authority. Otherwise, why shall I accept you? Why you are obliging me which I do not see? So many rascals says that he has gone to moon planet, but I have not gone with you. Why shall I believe you?

Books are the Real Bones and Fossils

Satsvarupa: They think that their documentation is something that's more acceptable for ...

Prabhupada: So acceptable to someone. My documentation is acceptable to so many. Why not my many? We have got many followers of the documentation of Vedic literature. As you have got your own ways of documentation, I have got my own ways of documentation. If you do not believe my documentation, why shall I believe without seeing your documentation? And if you set aside your documentation, my documentation, then come to reason. Eh?

Nitai: If, if what?

Prabhupada: I don't believe your documentation; you do not believe my documentation. Then let us come to reason. The reason is, as we see varieties—one is better than the other—there must be the best. And that is God. So far documentation is concerned, you do not believe my documentation, I do not believe your documentation. Then? How the conclusion will come? As far as possible, by reasoning. Reasoning is that we find one is better than the other. So go on finding; if you have got power, you will see that the best. This is reasoning. As the child has a father, the father has his father, the grandfather has his father, then there must be some ultimate father. How can you deny this? By experience you see. Suppose a great-grandchild does not see the great-grandfather, does it mean that he was not there? The reason is as everyone has got father, father's father, his father, his father, his, so go on, find out the ultimate father.

Satsvarupa: They've just concocted that, that long ago there was no intelligent human life, and that...

Prabhupada: That is your concoction. We get so many literatures. Huh? The Bhagavata literature, five thousand years old. You have no history beyond three thousand years. Neither even at the present moment you have got such nice literature. When you say that people are very much advanced, who has produced such literature? Where is a book like Srimad-Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita, whole world? If you say that this book was written, say 1,500 years ago, but where is a similar literature in any other part of the world? Eh? Is there a similar literature? Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna...

Satsvarupa: When Darwin's theory was first being taught in America, there was opposition from the Christians, and there was a famous court trial called the Scopes case, and the Bible was used to, against this so-called scientific theory. But the Bible is so inadequate that they lost.

Prabhupada: Yeah, Bible cannot be because it is itself unscientific.

Satsvarupa: The lawyer proved that the Bible could not disprove the Darwin's theory.

Prabhupada: Then why do they not reject Bible altogether?

Nitai: Sentiment.

Prabhupada: [laughs] Why do they not reject? Why still? Of course, it is sentiment. They do not accept Bible. The so-called Christians, they do not accept Bible.

Bali Mardana: What they say, they say that everything has, it has a hidden meaning. So the literal meaning is not true literally; it has a hidden meaning which is true.

Prabhupada: That's all right, but nobody has disclosed that hidden meaning.

Nitai: Everyone discloses a different hidden meaning.

Prabhupada: [laughs] Then what is the real hidden meaning?

Satsvarupa: They say that about the Bhagavad-gita too when we say that... We say, "Every verse in the Bhagavad-gita shows that Krishna is God." They say, "No, there are actually different meanings, not 'surrender to Krishna.' It means something else, and this means something else."

Prabhupada: Bhagavad-gita says, "Surrender." If you take Bhagavad-gita, then Bhagavad-gita says... You cannot understand... If you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, you must understand from Bhagavad-gita. And apart from Bhagavad-gita, you are already surrendered to God; you are not independent. Are you independent? Now, if, when there is rain, we could not come here to walk. So we are already surrendered. You cannot stop the rain and walk. You are already surrendered. So if Bhagavad-gita says that "You completely surrender," what is the wrong there? You are already surrendered. Just like you are already surrendered to the government laws. If you say, "I don't care for government laws," is that very nice proposal? You're already surrendered. So what is the wrong there? You are already surrendered to the laws of God, or nature, whatever you say. So if Bhagavad-gita says, "Surrender fully unto Me," what is the wrong there?

... So we were talking about Darwin's theory, eh? What is that?

Nitai: It is survival of the fittest, his evolutionary theory?

Prabhupada: Now, we talked about that if you do not take my documentary, what is called, evidence, why shall I take your documentary?

Bali Mardana: I think the only reason it is accepted is because it was very popular among the atheists. They said, "Oh, yes, let us support this idea."

Prabhupada: Yes, but there is theist class also.

Bali Mardana: So whatever we put forward is at least if, is more authoritative than what they can propose because ours is based on shastra.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Satsvarupa: They base many of their conclusions on finding of fossils, old remains.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Satsvarupa: Fossils, impressions of animals' bodies in the stone that are left there thousands of years. They gather all these... That's what Darwin's work mostly was. He would sail around the world and collect all these fossils, and make conclusions and write books.

Prabhupada: But where they will get fossils of old intelligent men?

Satsvarupa: Well, they say that they've found just skulls of very primitive men...

Prabhupada: No, no, you cannot find because according to Vedic culture, the body's burned into ashes. Where you'll get the bones and fossils?

Bali Mardana: You only come up with the primitive ones who are not civilized.

Prabhupada: We understand from the writings, not from the fossils and bones. The bones and fossils are already finished, but they kept their writing.

Bali Mardana: Only the uncivilized people were buried.

Prabhupada: Suppose I am writing books. In future if you could not find my bones and fossils, but the books will prove what I was. So we have got the books. That is the real bones and fossils.


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