this is not his business. He's
a monkey. And he wanted to do that business. Similarly, these things
are directly in the hands of God, and these monkeys
are coming to get out the plug. So they'll die simply, that's all, like
the monkey. They'll never be able to successfully
produce soul and these things.
Pancadravida: Because in the class that...
I asked that question because we're saying, well, there's no question
of creating life. We're agreeing that the soul already exists. But can
the scientists... If a scientist claims he'll create the conditions in
which a soul will enter, do we accept that premise, and I thought, "No,
because that's giving them much too much ground," that if we say that,
then by their definition, they can say, "I am creating life. I don't
want to argue over the existence or not of the soul, but I'll arrange
all the chemicals for you."
Prabhupada: Where is that
chemist? Where is that chemical combination that, I mean to say, grows
a soul, generate a soul? Even if you have got the chemicals, you cannot
Pancadravida: Whether it's
true or not, somebody was claiming to me that the scientists are
creating primitive forms of life like enzymes and things like this
because enzymes show... Enzymes are produced by life. They show certain
living tendencies. The scientists claim they are able to create enzymes.
Prabhupada: So what is the
credit? The enzymes are being naturally created, and the soul is there.
So what is his credit? The arrangement is already there automatically,
the secretion between the man and the woman, and they mix together,
emulsified, and the situation is created, and the soul comes there. The
soul is injected through the semina of the man. It is already arranged.
So what is your credit?
Pancadravida: Well, they say
the credit is that "We are doing these things in the laboratory without
the presence of the soul. They are not being produced by any living
Pancadravida: "They are not
being produced by any living organism."
Prabhupada: No, no. That is
your, your foolishness. Living organism is there. Just like we find
something... The same argument, vrishchika-tandula-nyaya: "Vrishchika,
the scorpion, is coming out of the heaps of rice." That... It does not
mean the rice is produced the scorpion. That is foolishness. Rice, the
heaps of rice, it does not create any scorpion.... Four sources of
life: anda-ja, udbhi-ja, jarayu-ja and
sveda-ja. Sveda-ja. The sveda-ja means just like these
bugs. Wherefrom the bugs in the bed come? Is there any laboratory
Prabhupada: So why these
rascals do not understand? The bugs come from the perspiration. So in
the perspiration, there is all chemicals, and the bug is coming. Now,
where is their chemical? Who has put here chemical? This grass is
coming. How it is coming? It is so...
Pancadravida: The chemicals
are coming from the perspiration.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is
Prabhupada: There, that the,
this grass is coming out of the earth. Wherefrom it is coming? Who has
put the chemicals? And the eggs of the birds, they are produced in the
womb of the birds, and from there the life is coming, the bird is
coming. Where is the chemical?
Pancadravida: Well, that's
just a complex chemical reaction. We can't explain it yet...
Prabhupada: But "Can't
explain"—that means you are fool. You remain fool. Don't try to expose
yourself, nonsense. You are a rascal number one; you remain rascal
number one. When the neck is caught up, he says, "Yes, it is complex.
We shall see in the future." Why "future?" What about now?
Pancadravida: Well, a hundred
years ago we couldn't make this movie camera either. But now they are
Prabhupada: That's all right.
But you cannot do this business. This is an art. Hundred years ago,
people could not produce electricity by mixing two wire.
Prabhupada: That is an art.
It is artist's... What is called? Craftmanship. Hundred years, could
not produce motor car. But that does not mean you have become God, you
Pancadravida: Well, isn't God
just a craftsman also? He's just an...
Prabhupada: Yes, He is
everything. He's everything—but not a fool like you. That's all. ... Mudhas.
They [referring to atheistic scientists]
are mudhas, means rascals, and they're exposing more and more
that yes, they are mudhas. And another set of rascals, what is
called, recognizing that "Yes, take this degree." Avyapare
suvyaparam yo narah kartum icchati sa mudhah hanyate 'khilotpad iva
vanarah. Vanara means monkey. Monkey... One monkey...
there was a woodcutter. What is called, woodcutter?
Prabhupada: Eh? Lumber...?
Pancadravida: Cuts trees?
Prabhupada: No, no. Formerly,
with saw, they used to make planks from big, big... What is that?
Prabhupada: Not... Sawmill is
now. Formerly they were doing it-hand.
Prabhupada: Not carpenter.
All right, the man who used to bifurcate the big, big planks, and after
finishing the business, he would put one, what is called, plug so that
it may not again come...
Pusta Krsna: Join.
Prabhupada: Jam. Yes. So one
monkey came. The monkey came. He began to, as his business, [makes
sound "kut, kut, kut," and the plug was taken away and his half
part of the body—"Jam." And the... [Makes sound, monkey crying] "tahn,
tahn, tahn, tahn." Who is coming to help him? He died. So this is
not his business. He's a monkey. And he wanted to do that business.
Similarly, these things are directly in the hands of God, and these
monkeys are coming to get out the plug. So they'll die simply, that's
all, like the monkey. They'll never be able to successfully produce
soul and these things.
Madhudvisa: So couldn't the
scientists say that it's God's will that when, when there is a...
Prabhupada: Now, now
according to their theory, there was no human being. And from
uncivilized man, they are becoming... They have taken to science, say,
for last two hundred years. Before that, how things were going on
without these rascals?
Madhudvisa: They say,
Prabhupada: Eh? Uncivilized.
And they are... he was producing the soul, man? They're uncivilized?
This, such nice... That is another exposal of their rascaldom.
Madhudvisa: They say modern
man is living much more comfortably than he did two hundred years ago.
Madhu: This is our
Prabhupada: What is that
comfortable? What is the comfort? Give me the example of comfort?
Trivikrama: Air conditioning.
Pancadravida: Tape recorders.
Prabhupada: [Chuckles] These
Pancadravida: Well, they
enable comfort. A person can lie down in his comfortable bed in his
nice apartment and listen to music out of the wall.
Prabhupada: But what about
his death, how he's uncomfortably dying?
Pancadravida: Well, we can't
Prabhupada: Then what you can
Visnujana: But they can give
you drugs to make death so that you don't feel it.
Madhudvisa: Yeah, you can die
in your sleep.
Prabhupada: That is, means
another death. You check death by death. That's all. These are all
rascals. You are not yet convinced that these, they are rascals. That
is your defect.
Pancadravida: I went to see
my grandfather when he was dying. They said, "We have a nice
arrangement. He's going to die in two weeks. Don't tell him. He'll die
peacefully in his sleep." That was their arrangement.
Pusta Krsna: Many of the
scientists actually believe in God, and they think that by
experimentation, they'll come to understand God more and more.
Prabhupada: That is another
thing. That we admire, that you are trying to understand God. But
"there is no God", and they are "becoming God"—that is nonsense.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada?
Ramesvara: Some people say
that Darwin was paid by the British...
Prabhupada: Yes, I said.
Ramesvara: ...to make
Ramesvara: Against religion.
Prabhupada: Not against
religion. Against Indian culture.
Ramesvara: Against Indian
Prabhupada: Yes. Britishers
made so many attempts that "Indians were uncivilized, and we have come
here to make them civilized."
Ramesvara: So for colonialism.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just to...
Because there are other powers, so they are envious that "Why these
rascals, they occupy India?" So, so just to support this occupation, I
mean to say, yes, occupation, and... they made so many propaganda.