Svarup Damodar: RNA is a big molecule and
that is actually transferred from this DNA molecule. DNA molecule, they
call it the master molecule from which everything comes, all the
molecules. Now if we see this carefully, we can see at every step that
there is a specific direction and information without which this whole
machinery will break down.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is
stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Sarvasya chaham hridi
sannivishto mattah smritir jnanam apohanam cha [Bg. 15.15]. Find
out this verse. Vedaish cha sarvair
... So "If you want to acquire knowledge how these molecules are
working, so you must know it is coming from Me, the direction is coming
from Me." You are waiting, wherefrom this direction is coming. Krishna
says "This direction is coming from Me." Mattah, "from Me."
Then the Absolute Truth, it is recognized.
Pusta Krsna: And the
scientists are mistaking the effects for the causes? The molecules are
working under Krishna's direction.
Prabhupada: Working under the
direction, yes, under the direction of the Supersoul. That is stated, mattah,
Hari-sauri: Shall I read it?
chaham hridi sannivishto
mattah smritir jnanam apohanam cha
vedaish cha sarvair aham eva vedyo
krid veda-vid eva chaham [Bg. 15.15]
"I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance,
knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be
known; indeed, I am the compiler of the Vedanta, and I am
the knower of the Vedas."
Prabhupada: So you are searching, you are
surprised how this direction is coming. Here is the answer, mattah,
"from Me." The answer is there.
Sadaputa: A comparison can be
made with things like this, and, say, a computerized factory. A
computerized factory, there has to be direction all the time, or else
it breaks down.
Prabhupada: Yes, that
direction is coming from Krishna. He is all-perfect.
Svarup Damodar: The
instructions are given so vividly here, that first there is called the
initiation step. It has to get specific information coded in this, they
are called bases, and now, then it elongates, and then finally it's
called stop signal. There's some message coming that "You stop right
there." And if there is some mistake or something wrong along the path,
then there will be a correction signal: "You made a mistake, so correct
there." This type of...
Prabhupada: Just see how
perfect. How perfect it is. [laughs] Purnam idam purnat purnam
udachyate [Ishopanishad, Invocation]. Because the
direction is coming from the purnam, complete, so correction is
made and everything is done, everything nicely. Because the direction
is coming from the complete perfect, there cannot be any mistake.
Svarup Damodar: So this is
actually the first step of protein synthesis. In order to make
proteins, this messenger RNA has to be transcribed from this DNA
molecule. In the next step you'll see the final step for protein
synthesis. Now there are also RNA's—they are called transfer RNA, those
white-colored, white and yellow-colored things. [laughter] Each of them
has to bring a specific amino acid, coded to a specific code, three
base codes, base pair. Now each of them has to bring a specific amino
acid and to put it together in a very specific manner. They cannot
scramble. Because if it scrambles there's not going to be...
Prabhupada: Again mistake,
Svarup Damodar: Yes. So it
Prabhupada: Just rightly. So
much direction is there, perfect.
Svarup Damodar: Yes. So like
that, then, when the..., once they bring these amino acids one by one,
then they stick together, and that also process is done by enzymes.
There are so many steps involved, and very intricate. It is actually
done by a catalyst called enzymes. Enzymes are also very big molecules.
Actually they are also proteins, and in each step the enzymes are so
specific that they do only one specific function just for the right
purpose, and once this is done then slowly the protein separates at the
right time and with the proper length and proper number of amino acids.
In this way, actually we can prove in every case that...
Prabhupada: Perfect direction.
Svarup Damodar: Yes, the
direction of the Supersoul is a necessity. In whatever condition we
look at, even in the molecules.
Prabhupada: So nice
management, there must be nice direction.
Rupanuga: No question of
Pusta Krsna: Andantara-stha-paramanu-chayantara-stham.
Krishna is in every atom.
Prabhupada: Yes, and He... If
somebody says how the atoms are working like that, the Krishna's...,
Brahma says, andantara-stha-paramanu-chayantara-stham. He
is within the atom also, the Supreme. Therefore it is acting so nice. Eko
'py asau rachayitum jagad-anda-kotim [Brahma-samhita
5.35]. Whole material world is going on under His direction, and He is
acting within the atom also. Andantara-stha-paramanu-
chayantara-stham. As He is directing this cosmic arrangement,
similarly He is directing from the atom, within the atom also. That is
Svarup Damodar: So we want to
develop these concepts and prove...
Prabhupada: Yes, Krishna will
Svarup Damodar: Now later on,
when Sadaputa speaks, there will be similar concepts, but that is
applied to the human platform called inspiration... inspiration and
proving the existence of Paramatma, Supersoul. Actually, it ties
together very well. Even from the molecular level we can see this, and
in the human platform actually it is very vividly...
Svarup Damodar: We can feel
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.
Svarup Damodar: So in all
branches of study, either it is physical or chemical or mathematical,
in all branches of science, we want to show the existence of Krishna.
Prabhupada: His hand is
Svarup Damodar: Yes.
prakritih suyate sa-characharam [Bhagavad-gita
9.10]. That is the fact. That is Krishna conscious.