Prabhupada: So people do not know what is
the aim of life. Therefore they have got different views. Actually they
are missing what is the aim of life. There is a English proverb, "A man
without aim and a ship without rudder," or something like that. So
similarly, ask anybody what is the aim of life. He doesn't know, no
Guest: Our aim of life should
be the realization of God?
Prabhupada: Yes. Because at
the present moment we are part and parcel. Just like a son, he has got
the symptoms of his father, but he does not know who is his father. He
does not know who is his father. There is a Hindi proverb, bap
ka beta sipaika gora kusnaita tora tola: "The son inherits the
quality of the father, but if he does not know who is his father, then
what is his position?" That is going on. The scientist, he is trying to
create something, but he does not know the supreme creator. Do you
follow? Now the scientists are trying to create living being in the
laboratory. But he does not enquire that who has already created so
many millions of living entities? He is trying to create a living
entity in laboratory. Suppose he creates one living entity. Then what
credit is there for him? But he is spending lakhs and crores of rupees.
Guest: Then what should the
role... not only scientists; scientists, philosopher,
politician—everyone should endeavor that "Wherefrom we got these
propensities? Where is the origin?" That is described in the
Vedanta-sutra: athato brahma jijnasa. I am a
scientist. I am thinking of myself very great man, but I do not think
that "Who is that great scientist under whose order the sun, moon, the
sea, ocean, everything is working very properly?" I am thinking of that
water is created by hydrogen, oxygen, but I do not inquire, "Wherefrom
such huge quantity of hydrogen, oxygen came, so that there is big
oceans and seas, water?" That I don't enquire. So I am so foolish
scientist. I am theorizing. I am theorizing that life has come from
matter, chemical composition, but as soon as I ask that "I give you the
chemical. You create," he says, "That I cannot do." This is going on.
But our business is, we Krishna conscious, that we see that you
scientists, you are trying to create a living being, but I glorify the
Supreme who has already created millions and millions of living beings.
I give you credit that... I cannot give you credit unless you create.
But still, as you are thinking that you will be able in future, that's
good... But what credit you will have? If I have got millions of
rupees, and if you create ten rupees, then what is your credit? Even if
you create? You cannot do it. You will never be able to create life.
That's a fact. That we know. But even if you are able to create, then
what credit you, do you get? This is... Already there are millions and
trillions of life. Why you are so proud that "We are going to create in
the laboratory, life." Why this false prestige?
Guest: So what is the idea
behind the movement?
Prabhupada: Behind the
movement, that... This is the idea, that you try to understand the
Supreme Being behind all, everything. That is perfection.
hi pumsas tapasah shrutasya va
svishtasya suktasya cha buddhi-dattayoh
avichyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
hi pumsas tapasah shrutasya va. Everyone, big, big philosophers,
scientists, they are engaged in tapasya [penance
and austerity] and education, but they do not know what is the
ultimate goal of this tapasya. The scientist is working very
hard, and he has discovered a nuclear bomb to kill.
Guest: And what is the
ultimate goal of tapasya?
means that by his knowledge... Suppose you are scientist. You prove by
scientific way that here is the supreme scientist who has given us all
Guest: Is it possible to see
Guest: With our own eyes?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Guest: It is possible?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Even if
it is not possible, but you have to accept there is a supreme
scientist. If you cannot see Him, that is your disqualification. That
is your disqualification. But you have to admit that there is a supreme
scientist. If you say that hydrogen and oxygen mixed together makes
water, that's all right. But who has created this big sea and ocean?
Wherefrom the hydrogen, oxygen came? Who supplied? That is
intelligence. Simply theoretical I know, but I cannot say who has
created this big, vast mass of water by mixing hydrogen, oxygen.
Wherefrom such huge quantity of hydrogen, oxygen came? Our point of
view, that you scientists, you say that hydrogen, oxygen creates water,
and here we see that somebody has created, but not somebody will know
who is that body, how great He is. And that is our credit. If you want
little credit by experimenting, hydrogen, oxygen mixed together, then
how much credit should be given who has created the vast Atlantic
Ocean, not only one, millions! Why don't you give credit?
Guest: You should give.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is our
Guest: But are you not giving
Prabhupada: No, nobody is
giving. They are denying. Especially these so-called scientists, they
are denying the existence of God.
Devotee: "God is dead."
Prabhupada: "God is dead" or
"There is no God." "By science, we shall do everything," and this
and... all nonsense theories. Our proposition is that glorify that
supreme scientist. Yad-uttamashloka-
Guest: And the supreme
scientist is God.
Prabhupada: He's God. Yes.
Guest: God, or you can give
another name as you like, any way.
Prabhupada: No, God or the
Supreme Being. God means the Supreme Being in the dictionary. He is not
like you, not like me.
Guest: What about...
Prabhupada: Anyway, He is
supreme. We are not supreme. But this subordinate person, he wants to
take the position of the supreme by manufacturing a drop of water in
Guest: So what is the easiest
way to see the Supreme Being with our own eyes?
Prabhupada: That you have to
take advice from the Supreme. The Supreme says, "If you want to know
Me..." Bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yash chasmi tattvatah
[Bhagavad-gita 18.55]. You have to take the way of the
Supreme. "Simply by devotional service one can understand Me, what I am
actually, is." You have to take this way. That is Krishna consciousness
movement. We are teaching everyone this bhakti-yoga so that one
can understand the Supreme and submit to Him, yes. Vasudevah
sarvam iti sa mahatma su-durlabhah [Bg. 7.19]. When one
understands by acquiring knowledge after many, many births, then he
surrenders to Krishna. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma
su-durlabhah [Bg. 7.19]. This is the first-class mahatma
[great soul]. That we are teaching.
It is not a sentiment. Most scientific.