Prabhupada: ...flowers, fruits, and
temperature is changing, it is rotating. Very fixed up, very timely.
How can you say there is no control? How can you say? The animals
cannot say, but any human being can say, "Yes, there is control.
Otherwise how things are going on like this?" ... Asatyam jagad
ahur anishvaram [Bhagavad-gita 16.8]. Where is that
verse, find out. Jagad ahur anishvaram.
Nitai: It's text 8.
Prabhupada: Ah. What does it
Nitai: It says:
jagad ahur anishvarama
kim anyat kama-haitukam [Bg. 16.8]
Nitai: "They say that this
world is unreal, that there is no foundation and there is no God in
control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than
Prabhupada: They think, the asura
[demonic]—that is the distinction between asura [demonic]
and sura [divine]—the asura will say, "There is no
control." Anishvaram. Ishvaram means controller, anishvaram
means without any controller. Then how it [the universe] has come into
existence, how it is working so nicely? So they answer it: kama-haitukam.
Kama-haitukam means just like a man and woman mix together, then
there is sex desire and there is a production of child. There is no
question of controlling. It is timely interaction of different
elements. This is called kama-haitukam. So what is that other? Asatyam...
Prabhupada: And others, other
atheists in the dress of very good sannyasi [renunciate], they
say jagad mithya, mithya. But they say also, brahma
satya, they accept Brahman. They are not so atheist, at least they
Nitai: Jagad ahur
anishvaram [Bg. 16.8].
Prabhupada: Ah, jagad
ahur anishvaram [Bg. 16.8]. "There is no God, it has come
automatically by interaction." But even it is so, how the interaction
is taking place? That is intelligence. Interaction
, just like acid and alkali. Just like oil and caustic soda. These are
two chemicals and mixing them, interaction, the result is soap.
Accepting this principle, but there must be a mixer, a person who is
mixing. Otherwise, how the soap and oil is being mixed? The soap is
there and the oil is there and the caustic soda is also there, that is
material ingredient. But they are not coming together automatically.
That is not possible. Where is the evidence? There are so many soap
factories, and let them keep oil and caustic soda and there is no
labor, let them become soap. Where is that evidence? But these rascals
say like that. Aparaspara sambhutam. Interaction of the
two things. But where is the interaction of two things unless it is
arranged by some third element? Where is the evidence? So these are
foolish theories, that there is no God, things are taking place
automatically and things are coming out, these are all foolish
theories. There is no evidence. Pramana, there must be
evidence. Otherwise... Just like science means simply not to see
observation that things are taking place, but experiment. It must be
substantiated by experiment. Just like theoretically everyone knows
that two chemicals, soda and alkali, mixes together and there is
interaction, effervescence. But who is mixing the soda and alkali, er,
alkali and acid? There must be. Therefore the answer is there in the Bhagavad-gita,
mayadhyakshena prakritih suyate sa-characharam [Bg.
9.10]. "Under My superintendence." That is God. Under God's
superintendence things are coming. Parasya shaktih vividhaiva
shruyate. He has got many multi powers and energies, they are
working. Just like in nowadays electronic. You type your "a" and
thousand miles away another typewriter will strike immediately "a", is
it not? It is called, what is called?
Prabhupada: Telex? Not telex.
Telex is also on the same thing.
Prabhupada: Teletype, yes.
You push here "a" and the other end the "a" will immediately strike.
There is no need of another person typing. But how it is being done?
There is electronic arrangement by higher scientist. Not that, ordinary
typewriter will not, no. Suppose if you keep one typewriter at your
brother's place and you push it here, will it strike there? [laughter]
Why? Because there is no arrangement. There is no arrangement. So these
are common sense but the rascals will not understand. That without a
touch of the living entity nothing can be done. The supreme living
entity is Krishna. Therefore it is said mayadhyakshena prakritih
suyate sa-characharam [Bg. 9.10]. "I am the cause of the
material energy working." Parasya shaktih vividhaiva shruyate.
There is parasya shaktih
, now who can explain how this flower has come into existence? That is
same thing. The energy of Krishna is working. Just like you want to
paint one nice flower, so you have to take the brush and the color and
you have to endeavor. Not that automatically coming, this beautiful
flower. So how do you think this beautiful flower has come
automatically? This is foolishness. There is also the brush, the paint,
but it is so perfect that just like you cannot see how the other
typewriter is striking. You cannot say it is automatically striking.
There is arrangement. But this arrangement you do not understand.
Therefore you are foolish, you are thinking that this typewriter is
striking automatically. It is not automatically. Here the other
typewriter it is stroken [sic] and there is electric arrangement and it
is striking. So you have to understand like... That is sura
[the divine]. And asura [demonic], they will say, "No, there is
no God. It is taking automatically, it is going on," This is
The asura means foolish, first-class foolish, that's all. Why
it has become so? That is explained here. That they do not know how to
behave, napi chacarah. Na satyam teshu vidyate, neither they
know what is the actual truth. They are defective themself and they are
explaining in the defective way that so many rascal chemists they say
that the chemical evolution is the cause of life. What is this
nonsense? Chemical evolution, you get the chemicals and make a
experiment and produce life. Then your proposal is all right that by
chemical evolution there is life. No, that is not possible. You have
got all the chemicals. Why don't you revive a dead man by injecting
chemicals again into life, where is your power? So why do you talk
foolishly like that? This should be challenged that "You are foolish
number one." Actually it so happened in California. One big chemist he
came there to lecture the chemical evolution, by mixing of chemical
life has come into existence. So there was one student, he is my
disciple, Dr. Svarupa Damodara, he said that [the chemist was]
cheater, that's all, mudha. Na mam dushkritino mudhah prapadyante
naradhamah [Bg. 7.15].
People are suffering for want of this knowledge. That is Krishna
consciousness movement, we are trying to bring people in true platform
of knowledge, not to increase death like these rascals and fools. That
is our proposal. They are trying to obstruct us because if everyone
becomes Krishna conscious then they can't cheat anyone. Now
Achyutananda Swami, he went to some place, there was a big sannyasi,
very well-known sannyasi. So he went to sell some books in
their ashrama first of all. So one of his students, one of his
disciples, he canvassed Achyutananda
, "Why don't you ask some question to Swamiji?" He [Achyutananda Swami]
clearly said, "I have nothing to question from your Swamiji. I know
better than him." [laughter] So actually bring any so-called yogis,
swamis or incarnation, our student will challenge him. He does not
know anything. We have got such a nice book of knowledge, Bhagavad-gita.
By the arguments and proposition in the Bhagavad-gita we
can capture all these rascals and nonsense.