[Posted
November 25, 2007]
Common Dreams News Center orig. published Jan 15, 2004
- CHALMERS JOHNSON
PRABHUPADA: If you want to make the whole human society perfect, then this Krishna consciousness movement should be introduced according to the Krishna's instruction, if you want to do it in a large scale for the benefit of the whole human society. Now we are picking up some of them, best. That is another thing. But Chaitanya Mahaprabhu said para-upakara. Why a certain section should be picked up? The whole mass of people will get the benefit of it. Then it is required, systematic. Sve sve karmany abhiratah samsiddhim labhate narah. Para-upakara means mass benefit, not there is certain section. Then we have to introduce this varnashrama-dharma. It must be done perfectly, and it is possible and people will be happy.
SATSVARUPA: It requires powerful influence in the society to...
PRABHUPADA: Yes. If the leaders of the society, they agree. They are barking like dogs in the United Nation. They should take rightly the instruction of Bhagavad-gita. Then everything will be all right. They're simply barking like dogs. What benefit is there? What benefit people have derived from the United Nations? Nothing. So if they want actually world peace, world unity, they must take the formula given by Krishna. That is our duty. Because we are preaching Krishna consciousness, so our duty is to convince that "You are uselessly wasting your time for unity; for benefit of the human race you take this. You'll be happy." We are safe. We have taken to Krishna's lotus feet shelter. There is no doubt. But... Just like Prahlada Maharaja. He said that "I am quite happy. I have no problem. But I am thinking of these rascals." Tato vimudha-chetasa indriyartha: "They have made the whole aim of life sense gratification." Indriyartha. "And for that purpose, a few years, they're making huge arrangement, how we shall become happy?" And next life a dog. It is risky. So as Krishna conscious men, we should try to save them. That is the duty. But this civilization as it is going on is very risky. They do not know how nature's law is working, how he's going to be a dog next life. He does not know. Mudho nabhijanati. To save the mass people from falling down to the repetition of birth and death, that is welfare activity. To save them by Krishna consciousness, we have to keep this ideal at least, varnashrama, that "Here is the position."
HARI-SAURI: At this time should we try to introduce it in our centers or not?
PRABHUPADA: Always we shall try. Human society will be always there. We have to serve them, para-upakara. We have to keep them in the right position.
HARI-SAURI: I just remember two or three years ago there was a thing... A pamphlet came out about introducing the varnashrama system in the society, but actually nothing came of it.
PRABHUPADA: Yes. That time was not right. Now you can do something.
SATSVARUPA: That was the beginning of emphasis on farms when Prabhupada said that, when more and more farms start, the idea of the vaishya. But nothing else happened.
PRABHUPADA: Every business is important. Brahmana business is important, kshatriya... Just like the body. Head is important; the arm is important; the belly is important. They must be kept in order. Just like I am in trouble because my belly is not working. Digesting power is not good. So in spite of brain, hand, and leg, I am diseased. If any part of the society remains diseased, the whole society will suffer. Therefore they must be maintained in correct order. You cannot say if there is some trouble in the leg, "Neglect the leg. Take care of the brain." No. Brain will be taxed due to the pain in the leg. This is nature. Therefore everyone should be kept in order. Then things will go on. That is varnashrama. They do not know that. Sometimes they are giving stress... That communist is giving stress to the shudra class, and the capitalist are giving to the belly class. And what about the head? What about the arms? And therefore topsy-turvied. Everything is disorder. There are two classes of men now-capitalist and communist. The communist is giving stress, "No. Simply the legs shall be taken care." What is called? Proly?
HARI-SAURI: Proletariat.
PRABHUPADA: What is that proletariat?
SATSVARUPA: The laborers.
PRABHUPADA: That's all. These rascals are giving stress on the legs. And the capitalists, they are giving stress on production. And where is the kshatriya and brahmana?
HARI-SAURI: Well, they're all giving stress to accumulation of weapons. They're all giving stress to...
PRABHUPADA: That is not kshatriya's business. No, that is described. Krishna said... He arranged the battlefield, because the kshatriyas, they became very powerful by individual military strength as it is now...
HARI-SAURI: Accumulation.
PRABHUPADA: Ha [yes]. So Krishna arranged: "All right, you come together and finish yourselves." So this arrangement will be done that all atomic bomb will come in warfield–one, next, third war, finished. All these, all these demons will be finished. That [building up excessive military strength] is not kshatriya. This is demonic. Kshatriyas' business is to see that the four orders of life are maintained properly, not increasing military strength only, overburdened. Everyone is spending 75% of the revenue for military. Huh? Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya cha dushkritam [Bhagavad-gita 4.8]. So they are demons. Why so much money should be spent for military? They are not kshatriyas. They are not kshatriyas. They are demons. So demons... As soon as there will be number of demons increased, there will be war and finish all.
HARI-SAURI: So at least if we successfully introduce the varnashrama system in our own society, then when all the demons finish themselves...
PRABHUPADA: At least... At least... At least they will see, "This is the ideal."