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January 30, 2006]
Who will drop it first?
by His Divine Grace A.C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Founder-Acharya of the
world-wide Hare Krishna Movement, Brahma Sampradaya Acharya
Morning Walk Conversation with
disciples in Honolulu, June 16, 1975
and excerpt from Lecture,
Hyderabad, December 10,
(Anniversary of the Disappearance of Srila Prabhupada's Spiritual
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur)
Antiwar.com, Thursday, January 27, 2006--by WES ULM--How the Bomb
Destroyed Our Republic
The newspapers and airwaves today are replete with the ominous vibes of
global nuclear proliferartion, with Iran and North Korea the nuclear
betes noires du jour. Nevertheless, by far the greatest threat to
civilization does not reside in rogue nukes ensconced in distant lands.
Today, 15 years after the fall of the USSR, the abiding menace is the
wretched legacy of the Cold War - the nearly 10,000-warhead-strong
collective nuclear arsenal of the United States and Russia, with both
countries' arms targeted at the other, ready for launch within minutes,
at each president's unchallengable whim.
Now the nuclear war means it will not continue very long. The first
party who will drop the bomb on the other party, he will be victorious,
and immediately the war will stop. They are simply arranging how to
drop the atom bomb first. So one who will be able to drop the bomb
first, he will be victorious. It doesn't require long time. Just like
in Japan, as soon as the Americans dropped the atom bomb in Hiroshima,
immediately they surrendered. This will be the result. Now the question
is who will be able to drop the bomb first.
Siddha-svarupa: The Japanese didn't have any atom bombs to
send back, though.
Prabhupada: No. It was in possession of Hitler. And your
American stolen and kept it. Hitler wanted to use it, but, good sense,
he did not like. He said that "I can do it immediately, but I will not
do it." So three bombs they kept ready, and when Germany was in awkward
condition these Americans, they stolen, and they used it in Japan. This
was manufactured by the German.
Bali-mardana: Most of the American scientific knowledge
for going to space, etc., is all gotten from the Germans.
Bali-mardana: They stole the German scientists. And the
Russians also, after the war, they took many German scientists.
Prabhupada: I think the aeroplane was made by the Germans
Bali-mardana: Yes, the jet airplane, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. And they took it, the idea, from Sanskrit
literature. Yes. They purchased the book from Benares.
Devotee: In India we have, and Hawaii, the firecrackers
going up, the idea was from there.
Harikesha: The Germans also had the idea that this
universe is encaged in some hard layers. And they were trying to bounce
waves off of the edge of the universe.
Prabhupada: No, the Germans, they very much praised Indian
culture. That my godbrother Soulier, when he came to India he said that
"When Indian students come to our country, first of all we inquire how
much he has got asset of his own culture. If we find that he has got
some knowledge in his own culture, then we receive. Otherwise we
reject." As soon as they found that somebody is made of London culture,
then immediately they reject. There are many Sanskrit scholars in
Harikesha: All of the good dictionaries are from Germany.
Prabhupada: No, Max Mueller was German.
Harikesha: A lot of the devotees have been wondering about
book production if there is some war.
Prabhupada: War? The war will be for a few days only.
Bali-mardana: Then the presses can go on.
Prabhupada: This war will not prolong. That is not
Harikesha: So this is not the big one.
Prabhupada: No, it is big war, but it will be finished
within short time.
Bali-mardana: Drop their bombs, everything's finished.
Upendra: But the argument is that these bombs will create
more disturbance than just the blowing up. They create what's called
Prabhupada: Yes, that will do. But the war will stop
because the party which will be able to drop the bomb first, he will be
Harikesha: They've got these fancy...
Prabhupada: Then after effects, what will happen, that is
another thing. But the war will not continue for ten years or five
years, like that.
Bali-mardana: Many Communist countries now, they are not
making any more big cities. They are keeping the population very spread
out so that after the war they will be able to take over. Because if
one has a big city, then the people can be killed very easily in one
bomb, finished. [break]
Prabhupada: ...they are afraid of death?
Bali-mardana: Well, the Chinese figure they have so many
people that even if there is a war...
Prabhupada: They are gainer.
Bali-mardana: There will still be so many of them left.
Prabhupada: ...they will be left. [break]...America can
drop the first bomb in Moscow, then they will come out triumphant. And
the Communists will be finished. [break] ...friendship with Pakistan
only for this reason. It is just on the border of Russia. If from
Pakistan they can drop the first bomb in Moscow. [break]
Siddha-svarupa: ...in the United States and Russia are to
get on special airplanes that are equipped... It's like a city in the
air, where they will be able to wage war from the air so that even if
the all the cities are destroyed, they will still be able to make
strategy and keep sending missiles with warheads because they have so
many missiles with warheads all over the country that even if all the
cities are wiped out they can keep sending more. [break]
Prabhupada: ...they will get their food?
Siddha-svarupa: They have it so that they have something
like a year's supply. [break]
Prabhupada: They are struggling for living. Still, they
will not be allowed to live.
Krishna, we fallen souls, pay most heavy the illusion's toll." Because we have forgotten Krishna we are
paying heavy, heavy toll, tax, taxation. What is that taxation? The
taxation is nivartante mrityu-samsara-vartmani . This human life is meant for understanding
Krishna, but instead of understanding Krishna, we are understanding the
so-called material science for sense gratification. This is our
position. The energy which was given by nature to understand Krishna,
that is being utilized how to manufacture something for sense
gratification. This is going on. This is maya, illusion.
Therefore it is, "Pay most heavy the illusion's toll." Toll tax. That
we are paying because we have forgotten Krishna; therefore now we have
manufactured the nuclear weapon—Russia, America—and you will have to
pay heavily. They are already paying heavily. The armament preparation
is going on. More than fifty percent of the income of the state are now
being spent for this arm... heavily. Instead of other purposes, it is
being spent for military strength, every state. So that heavy toll we
are paying. And when there is war there is no limit how much we are
spending for this devastation. So why? Because we have forgotten
Krishna. This is a fact.
So these people
they have made the United Nation, unnecessarily fighting like dogs. So
this will not solve the problems. The problem will be solved if they
pass a resolution that the whole world, not only this world... Krishna
says, sarvaloka maheshvaram. Krishna is the proprietor,
so why not accept? Actually He is the proprietor. Who has created this
planet? We have created or father created? No. Krishna has created, but
we are claiming, "This portion is American, this portion is Indian,
this portion is Pakistani." Unnecessary. What is the value of this
claim? We may claim it for fifty or sixty or a hundred years, and after
that, one kick: "Get out." Where is your claim? But they do not
understand this philosophy. They are fighting. That's all, that "This
is mine. This is my land. This is my land." They do not know. Krishna
said tatha dehantara praptih .
"You are American today. So tomorrow, even within America if you become
an American cow or American animal, nobody will care for you. Nobody
will care for your politics." But this art they do not know. This
science they do not know. They are under illusion. They are thinking
that "I shall continue to remain American, so let waste my time for
American interest," so-called interest. There cannot be any interest. Prakriteh
kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvashah .
Everything is being done by nature, and we are simply falsely thinking,
ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate. This
illusion is going on. "Forgotten Krishna, we fallen souls, pay most
heavy the illusion's toll." We are paying, paying. "Darkness around,
all untrace. The only hope, Your Divine Grace." This message. Simply we
are in darkness.
2 - Bhagavad-gita
9.3: "Those who are not faithful on the path of devotional service
cannot attain Me, O conqueror of foes, but return to birth and death in
this material world."
3 - Bhagavad-gita
2.13: "As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from
boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another
body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a
4 - Bhagavad-gita
3.27: "The bewildered spirit soul, under the influence of the three
modes of nature, thinks himself to be the doer of activities, which are
in actuality carried out by nature."