vasundhare yena vikarshitasi
kalena va te balinam baliyasa
surarchitam kim hritam amba saubhagam [Srimad-Bhagavatam
Translation: "Mother, you are the reservoir of all riches. Please
inform me of the root cause of your tribulations, by which you have
been reduced to such a weak state. I think that the powerful influence
of time, which conquers the most powerful, might have forcibly taken
away all your fortune, which was adored even by the demigods."
Prabhupada: Kalena va te balinam
baliyasa. Time is very powerful. Another place in the Srimad-Bhagavatam
it is said, kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa.
hetoh prayateta kovido
na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah
tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham
kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa [Srimad-Bhagavatam
So in due course
of time, everything happens. That is the nature's law. When I was also
a child, I was looking very beautiful, but kalena, in due
course of time, I'm now old man, a ugly man. Nobody likes. [laughter]
So this is the influence of time, influence of time. So influence of
time will act. You cannot check it. Influence of time, that is nature's
law. Daivi hy esha gunamayi mama maya [Bhagavad-gita
7.14]. That is maya's strength. How you can check? It is not in
So this is another question by Dharmaraja to Mother Earth, "Whether you
are now in tribulation by the influence of time?" Surarchitam
kim hritam amba saubhagam. So we should remember saubhagam,
opulence, can be taken away, in due course of time. You cannot check
it. Suppose in America you are all fortunate. You have got very nice
roads, very nice cars, very nice skyscraper building, government, food,
everything very nice. But in due course of time everything can be taken
away. You cannot check it. Shastra says therefore, tasyaiva
hetoh prayateta kovidah. Everything will be taken away, or
ultimately, destruction. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita.
You can find out, somebody, the verse. Mrityuh sarva-harash
chaham, mrityuh sarva-harash cha aham. In due course of time,
death will come, and it will take everything, what you possess. Mrityuh
sarva-harash chaham. That death is Krishna.
udbhavash cha bhavishyatam
kirtih shrir vak cha narinam
smritir medha dhritih kshama [Bhagavad-gita 10.34]
"I am all-devouring death, and I am the generator of all things yet to
be. Among women I am fame, fortune, speech, memory, intelligence,
faithfulness and patience."
So Krishna is acting everywhere
by His energy. This kala, this time, is another form of
Krishna. Just like Krishna has got various forms, advaitam
achyutam anadim ananta-rupam [
Brahma-samhita 5.33]. Advaita, one, without a second. Achyuta,
does not fall. That is the difference between Krishna and ourself. We
are part and parcel of God, Krishna, but Krishna is achyuta, He
does not fall down. We fall down. This is the difference. The example
is... Just like the fire, big fire, and the sparks, they are also fire.
The quality of big fire and the small sparks of fire, they're the same.
Therefore qualitatively, we are one with Krishna. As Krishna has got
propensities, we have got also propensities. Krishna has got creative
power, we have also got creative power. In this way, compare anything.
In minute quantity... Krishna has got independence, full independence;
we have got independence, but not full independence. But we have got
independence. So that is the difference. Advaitam achyutam
anadim ananta-rupam [Brahma-samhita 5.33].
Krishna has got
various forms, but His real form is Krishna. God has got many forms,
but the original form is that, playing on flute, curved in three places
with barhavatamsam asitambuda-sundaran
gam, with a feather on the head. These are Vedic description of
Krishna. It is not an artistic paint, but it is taken from the Vedic
literature, what is the original form of Krishna. Govindam
adi-purusham tam aham bhajami **. That is original form. Krishnas
tu bhagavan svayam [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.28].
Advaitam achyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Brahma-samhita
5.33]. Ananta-rupam, ananta, unlimited,
unlimited. It is described in the shastras. How unlimited? Just
like in a big river you sit down, or on the ocean, if you count the
waves, is it possible? There is no possibility. But there are waves
always, twenty-four hours going on, going on. But if you want to count
them, it is not possible. That is described. Just like the waves of
river or... Not satiated. You'll find in the Pacific Ocean in your
front, the waves are constantly coming. It is never satiated. So
Krishna's incarnations are also like that, incessantly coming, one
after another, one... Advaitam achyutam anadim ananta-rupam
[Brahma-samhita 5.33]. So ananta-rupa, how many rupa,
how many forms we have seen Krishna's? No. That is not possible.
So the conclusion is all these forms, ete, all these, cha
amsha-kalah... Amsha means plenary portion, not
personally. Amsha... And kala means portion of the
portion. Just like first of all, Krishna. Then His next expansion is
Balarama. His next expansion is Sankarshana. Next, Aniruddha,
Pradyumna. Sankarshana, Aniruddha, Pradyumna. In this way, next
expansion Narayana. Then, from Narayana, another quadruple expansion:
Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Sankarshana... Then Maha-Vishnu, the origin of
this material creation. Yah karanarnava-jale bhajati sma
-saroma-kupah [Brahma-samhita 5.47]. Yah
karanarnava-jale bhajati sma yoga-nidram anantam. That is
Maha-Vishnu. Yasyaika-nishvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti
loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah [Brahma-samhita
5.48]. So from His breathing nostril, ananta, unlimited number
of potential universes, are coming, and—exhaling, inhaling—and
unlimited going within. This is Maha-Vishnu. This Maha-Vishnu is also
plenary portion of Krishna.
Yasyaika-nishvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja
jagad-anda-nathah [Brahma-samhita 5.48]. So many
things are described in the Brahma-samhita. But still, He
is achyuta, anadi, He has no cause. He is causeless. Sarva-karana-karanam:
[Brahma-samhita 5.1] He is the cause of everyone, but He
has no cause. Anadi, anantam. Advaitam achyutam anadim
ananta-rupam adyam purana-purusham [
Brahma-samhita 5.33]. He's the origin person, original person. Purana,
very old, must be very old because everything... Janmady asya
yatah [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.1]. From Him,
everything has come. Therefore Purana. Purana means old. Nutana
and Purana. Nutana means "just very recently," and Purana
means very old.
So we are also old. In the Bhagavad-gita you find this
verse, nityah shashvato 'yam purano na hanyate hanyamane sharire
[Bhagavad-gita 2.20]. Do you remember, any one of you,
this verse from the
Bhagavad-gita? Eh? But you don't read. So I am writing all these
books simply for selling, not for reading. This is not good. And if
somebody asks you, "You are so much eager to sell your books. Do you
read your books?" Then what you will say? "No, sir, we don't read. We
sell only. Our Guru Maharaja writes, and we sell." That is not good
business. You must read. Why I am writing so many books? Not a single
moment waste. If you want to become successful in Krishna
consciousness, don't lose even a single moment. That should be the
first determination. Avyartha-kalatvam [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Madhya 23.18-19], Rupa Gosvami says. Forget sleeping, eating, mating.
This is all material necessities. If you increase these things, then
you cannot make any progress in spiritual life.
Therefore we say, "No illicit sex, no intoxication." You are already
intoxicated. Why you are increasing intoxication? This maya
means intoxication. Pishachi paile yena mati-cchanna...
Just like a person, when he's ghostly haunted, he calls his father by
ill names, but he cannot recognize even his father. So all of us, we
are already under the clutches of maya. That is the position of
intoxication. And again intoxication? So what will be our condition?
Therefore it is prohibited. First of all, whatever intoxication you
have already got, just try to cure it. Don't increase it. So
everything... The physical necessities means we have already got it,
but it is meant for decreasing, not increasing. Pravrittir esha
bhutanam nivrittis tu maha-phala. We have got general tendency, loke
-seva. Everything is there in the shastra. Nitya
hi jantoh. Jantu means living entities. So, it is
eternally existing, loke vyavaya, sex intercourse, amisha,
eating non-fruital things. Amisha means "which is not fruits
and vegetables." Meat, fish, eggs, they are called amisha. And
they are called niramisha. Niramisha means fruits, vegetables,
milks, food grains, sugar. These are niramisha. And eggs, fish,
meat and so many other things, they are called amisha. So amisha.
Amisha means these things. Seva, eating. And vyavaya.
Vyavaya means sex life. Loke vyavayamisha-madya,
intoxication. It is not that Vedic civilization did not know how to eat
meat and how to drink liquor. It is all known. But they are prohibited,
"Don't eat." It is not that then they were unknown, now it is
discovered by scientific advancement. Loke
vyavayamisha-madya-seva nitya hi, nityasti, asti, it is there.
It is not that because one is not educated now to use sex life...
Nobody requires education. It is automatic. But people are now very
much advanced in understanding sex life. So many books, Freud
philosophy, this philosophy. And after all, this is already there. What
is the need of philosophy? Without your rascal philosophy, everyone
knows how to use sex life. But they are thinking this is advancement. Nitya
hi. It is already there. Who was speaking yesterday? Jayatirtha.
That his niece, seven years old, she is also dating. So this is already
So to increase it no credit. To decrease it is credit. That is credit. Nitya
hi jantoh. It is already there. Pravrittir esha bhutanam.
Bhutanam means "of all living entities." Amongst the ants,
they are very intoxicant. Therefore they find out sugar. The all kinds
of liquor preparation is made from sugar. You know that? Sugar is
fermented with acid and then distilled. It becomes liquor. And the ants
are very much fond of sugar. You keep up one piece of sugar candy. Then
the news will be immediately spread, and all the ant class will go
there: "Here it is, sugar, yes. Gold rush." [laughter] You see? So
every living entity has got a tendency for certain class of thing,
especially sex and eating nonvegetarian things. If you eat vegetarian
fruits and flowers and grains, you'll not eat more than you require.
That is nature. You'll eat only what is needed by yourself. You cannot
eat any more. It is very good. If you don't eat... Atyaharah
prayasash cha prajalpo niyamagrahah [Nectar of Instruction
2]. Atyahara, eating more than needed, is against spiritual
life. Atyaharah prayasash cha prajalpo niyamagrahah.
there. Rupa Gosvami has said. Atyahara means eating more than
you require, or eating, enjoying more than. We require,
ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. We require little, little
everything... [break] ...for spiritually advancing. They remain without
dress. Even in the severest type of cold, they remain without dress,
sitting, only smearing the body with some ashes. They'll take bath in
the morning and cover the body with ashes, not very thick. But he'll
sit down whole day and night and chant Hare Krishna. No business. No
endeavor for food. If food comes, by God's grace, they will eat;
otherwise no, they'll not go anywhere. Completely dependent: "If God
gives, then I shall eat. Otherwise we shall not endeavor." This is our
first endeavor, what to eat, where to live, where to sleep, where to
have sex life. This is our all endeavor. They stop all this endeavor.
That is spiritual life. Stop everything. That is called... And I am
going in a secluded place and thinking, "How many women I have hunted."
What is this nonsense? Eh? And showing, "I have become very much
advanced. I am leader." And my leading is I'm thinking of woman. That's
all. And money.
This is not spiritual life. This is all cheating. Dhohka-bhaje(?)
they are called, dhohka-bhaje,(?) cheaters. Don't be cheaters.
Krishna knows whether you are cheater or you are sincere. If you are
sincere, then He will give you intelligence how you will make progress.
Tesham satata-yuktanam... Find out this verse.
dadami buddhi-yogam tam
yena mam upayanti te [Bhagavad-gita 10.10]
To whom He
gives direct instruction? Satata-yuktanam: one who is
twenty-four hours busy in His service. Twenty
-four hours, satata. Satata means, read it.
dadami buddhi-yogam tam
yena mam upayanti te [Bhagavad-gita 10.10]
"To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give
the understanding by which they can come to Me."
Yes. So Krishna is within you.
He knows whether you are cheater and whether you are sincere. So
therefore He says, "Those who are sincere and twenty-four hours engaged
in My service, I give them intelligence." What kind of intelligence?
"To... As he may come back to Me, that kind of intelligence." Because
that is our aim, back to home, back to Godhead.
So Krishna is prepared to help you. Paramatma. Sarvas... In
another place it is said, sarvasya chaham hridi sannivishtah
[Bhagavad-gita 15.15]. Read Bhagavad-gita
thoroughly and be sincere and make your life successful. Don't be
cheater. Read, and follow, and Krishna will help you, this life. Don't
expect another life to prepare. "It is guaranteed human life?"
somebody's asking. Even if it guaranteed, why should you take the
chance of another life? Finish this business within this life. Take
help from Krishna, take help from books, take from your spiritual
master. Why another life? Another life... Suppose you get another human
life. Is it guaranteed? You may fall down again. So my Guru Maharaja
used to say that "Finish all business in this life." Na mochayed
yah samupeta-mrityum. Finish this business of birth, death, old
age and disease in this life. You can do that. This is our main
business, not to make arrangement for eating, sleeping, mating and
defending under different garb, under different pretext. That is not
our business. Our main business is...
Therefore... Kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa. There it is
said, kalena va te balinam baliyasa.
Kala, time, is very powerful. Time... In time everything can be
done. In time you can become very happy, and in time you can become
very distressed, very much distressed, unhappy. Time can give you. And
time is also Krishna, kala-rupena. When... You'll find in the Bhagavad-gita
that, in the Eleventh Chapter... I've just now forget that..., that
"Who are you?" Kala. The virat-rupa, the universal form
seeing, Arjuna said, "Who are You, Sir?" So He said that "I am in the kala-rupa,
in the form of time, now. I have come to kill the all, all of you." So
therefore our business should be that this life should be utilized only
for complete Krishna consciousness. No other business. That is
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's cult. And it is not very difficult. Not at all
difficult. Kirtaniyah sada harih [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Adi 17.31]. But it is difficult. It is very difficult. It is to chant
Hare Krishna mantra twenty-four hours. Those who are not
they'll become mad simply by chanting. It's difficult. You cannot
imitate Haridasa Thakura, that "Now I shall go in a secluded place and
chant Hare Krishna." It is not possible, sir. It requires great
advancement of spiritual life when one can concentrate in chanting Hare
Krishna. It is not so easy.
Therefore, for neophytes, we must have many engagements. In the
neophyte stage, if you try to imitate the advanced stage, then it will
be simply ludicrous. In the neophyte stage we must be always engaged.
Krishna has got different venues of rendering service. You can serve
Krishna in so many ways. Karmana manasa vacha etavaj
janma-saphalyam dehinam iha dehishu. Karmana manasa vacha
shreya-acharanam sada. Karmana manasa, we have got three
venues: by working, karmana; by thinking, manasa; karmana
manasa vacha, and by speaking. We can do things. Karmana manasa
vacha. So this tridanda-sannyasa means... There are four dandas.
One danda is the, what is called, symbol of his person. And the
other three dandas, they are symbol of his body, mind, and
speeches. This danda means, perhaps you know, do not know. You
try to understand... So karmana, this danda, means "I
have taken now vow to engage myself, even whatever assets I have got."
So I have got my assets. I can work with my body, I can work with my
mind, and I can work by speaking. So tridanda-sannyasa means
one who has devoted his life, means his activities, his body and his
speeches. That is tridanda-sannyasa. Anyone who has devoted his
mind, his body and his speeches for the service of the Lord, he is sannyasi.
Sannyasi does not mean simply changing the dress and
thinking otherwise. No. Sannyasi, anyone, it does not matter
whether the dress is changed or not, if one is fully engaged by his
body, mind and words, sa sannyasi.
Anashritah karma-phalam karyam karma karoti yah, sa sannyasi
[Bhagavad-gita 6.1], Krishna says. Who is sannyasi?
Anashritah karma-phalam. "I shall speak for
Krishna." Then what profit you'll get? "No matter what is profit, I
shall speak for Krishna. That's all." Sa sannyasi,
Krishna says. "This is my duty, karyam." Karyam means
duty. "It is my duty to speak for Krishna only. That's all. I am not
going to speak anything." He's a sannyasi. Anashritah
karma... Now, if you engage some lawyer to speak for you in the
court, "Immediately bring me two thousand dollars." He'll charge. But a
sannyasi, he'll speak twenty-four hours for Krishna, no
expectation of profit. That is sannyasi. Twenty-four hours
engaging the body for Krishna's work—he's a sannyasi.
Twenty-four hours thinking of Krishna—he's a sannyasi. This is sannyasi.
No other business. Anashritah karma-phalam karyam karma...
working for his personal benefit, "How much money I shall get? How much
name and fame and reputation I shall get?" For his personal profit. And
that is material. That is material. As soon as you work for your
personal benefit, that is material. And as soon as you work for
Krishna's benefit, that is spiritual. That's all. This is the
distinction between material and spiritual. Everything in relationship
So the Krishna consciousness movement is very scientific, authorized.
Try to understand Krishna. We have got so many literature. Don't waste
a single moment. Kalena. And Chanakya Pandita, the moral
instructor... He's not spiritual instructor, but moral instructor. But
he has said that ayushah kshana eko 'pi na labhyah
svarna-kotibhih. One moment of your life, if it is wasted
without any profit, just imagine how much loss you have suffered.
Because you cannot get back one moment of your life again even if you
are prepared to pay millions of dollars. That you cannot get back.
Nineteen seventy-four, 19th January, passed—you cannot get it back
again. If you, any rich man comes forward, "Please get me back again
1974, 19th January," "No, sir, that is not possible." Any price you
offer, it is not possible.
So just imagine, if we waste our time, how much loss we are suffering.
We calculate loss and gain. So don't waste time. Kala, kala is
very... Yoga system means to save time. The whole process,
mechanical process, of yoga, mystic power, means to save time.
We have got a limited duration of life. Suppose one is destined to live
for... Utmost they will live, anyone, but nobody goes to live for
hundred years—say, seventy, eighty, sixty or something like that.
Gradually it is reducing, and it will reduce twenty to thirty years.
That will be duration of life. Because people are becoming more and
more sinful. So that is fixed up. A body is given to us by the superior
power, and the duration of life is also fixed up. Even the greatest
scientist, he cannot increase a moment's time for his life. That is not
possible. A moment's life. Professor Einstein was a great scientist,
but he could not find out any means that instead of living for, say,
eighty years, he could live eighty years, one day. No, that is not
possible. That is not possible. Your destiny, duration of life—fixed
up. And how it is fixed up? The machine is breathing. Machine is
breathing. Just like the clock goes on, tick-tick, tick-tick,
tick-tick. As soon as the tick-tick stops, then whole things is lost.
Similarly, our breathing is going on, tick-tick, tick-tick, tick-tick,
a fixed time. Just like you wind your clock, so that winding will help,
tick-tick, for a certain duration of time, say, twenty-four hours.
Similarly, there is winding in our life, a spring. That "tick-tick"
means this breathing. So if you... Breathing exercise means if you can
stop breathing, then you increase your life. That is called samadhi.
No more breathing. That is Vedic, I mean to say, yogic success. Stop
breathing. There are yogis, perfect... not these gymnastic-wala,
no. Real yogis. They can remain without breathing for days
together. That means the days he does not breathe, so much time saved:
he increases his life. Suppose daily if he stops breathing for three
hours, that means daily he saves three hours time. So in hundred years
about..., so many, so much time. So in this way, the yogi can
live for three hundred years, four hundred years, six hundred years.
Still there are yogis. This is called yogic success.
So kala, to control... You cannot control time. Just like if
you have got one hundred dollars, if you deposit in a bank, you will
get some interest, but you cannot make without any endeavor two hundred
dollars. No, that is not possible. But if you don't spend it, then the
hundred dollars remains. Similarly, your duration of life is there, and
it is being wasted by breathing. If you can control the breathing
process, then your life can be increased. This is yogic... But after
all, we are under the full control of time. Kalena sarvatra
gabhira-ramhasa. That is explained here.
Kalena va te balinam baliyasa. Very, very strong—there is no
power. Your so-called scientific power... You cannot struggle against
the influence of time. So save time. Save time.
Another process is, save time, if you chant Hare Krishna mantra,
then the time is not lost. Time is not lost. Hare Krishna mantra,
read book, Krishna book. Any moment, any time you spend for thinking of
Krishna, working for Krishna, chanting for Krishna, eating for Krishna,
dancing for Krishna, that time is saved. That time is saved. Therefore
it is recommended, harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam,
kalau nasty eva nasty eva... [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Adi 17.21]. Otherwise, by yoga process, it is not... How many
men can actually practice yoga? It is all farce. This is
possible. Even a child can take part, Hare Krishna mantra.
Thank you very much. Hare Krishna. [break]
Sudama: ... questions.
[microphone makes noise] Prabhupada:
microphone] Purchase something better. Instead of diverting your
attention always, pay little more. In Bengali it is said, sastarthin
abastra:(?) "If you purchase something cheap, it will always
give you trouble." Better spend once, costly things, nice things. That
Sudama: Any questions?
Devotee (1): Was Lord Jesus
pure Krishna consciousness?
Prabhupada: These are old
questions, always asked. What is that, huh? What is that question?
Satsvarupa: Was Lord Jesus in
pure Krishna consciousness?
Prabhupada: Yes. He also
taught about God. Krishna consciousness means God consciousness. So why
Jesus? Anyone speaks... But one must know. There are degrees. Just like
a person... Somebody knows to some extent, other knows to some extent,
other knows to some extent, other knows to some extent. Or somebody
understands to some extent. So Krishna consciousness means complete
understanding of Krishna. Just like there are steps; if you want to go
to the 104th floor, there are so many steps. So everyone is going,
aiming, to that 104th, but one has covered ten steps, one has covered
twenty, another hundred, like that. The aim is the same, but you cannot
say that one who has already covered one hundred steps, he is as good
as one who has covered two steps. There is that difference. Here is a
person who has covered only two steps; here is another person who has
covered fifty steps; here is another person who has covered hundred
steps. Suppose you have to fulfill five hundred steps. So
proportionately, that is the position. But the steps are already there.
So any religious system—it doesn't matter Hindu religion or Christian
religion or Muhammadan religion—it is the question of how the followers
are covering the steps. They are going on the same staircase, but it is
the question of...
So ultimate success is... That is described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam,
sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokshaje: [Srimad-Bhagavatam
1.2.6] "The highest perfection is that when you understand God and you
are in love with God." That is success. You are in love in God. It
doesn't matter how we have learned to love God, either Christian
religion or Hindu religion or Muhammadan, but if you have got that
success, that you have learned how to love God, then your life is
successful. Then there are different stages of loving platform, and
when you love Krishna as Radharani did... That is not possible, but
that is the aim, and that is the highest perfection. But the beginning
is love, how you are in love with God. Shanta, dasya, sakhya,
vatsalya, madhurya. So unless you come to that... If you love these
material things, then you should know that you are not in love with
God. If you are in love with God, then you'll forget material love.
That is the test. Bhaktih pareshanubhavo viraktir anyatra syat
[Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.2.42]. Bhakti, love of
Godhead, the symptom is that he's no more in love with material things.
That is the test. You cannot... Just like you cannot love two persons.
That is divided. One love concentrated, that is perfect love.
Similarly, another example is given that we are all hankering after
love. Because we do not find whom to love, therefore we place our love
even cats and dogs. We love a dog. Anyone who has no other object to
love, no children, no family, no wife
—all right, keep a cat, keep a dog. But love is there.
So that love is deserved for Krishna, or the Supreme Personality of
Godhead. So the more we learn how to love the Supreme Lord, that is
perfection of life. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmah. And what
kind of love? Ahaituky apratihata: that love is not
motivated, that "I want this thing; therefore I shall love." Here in
this material world the so-called love, lust, is motivated. "I'll get
so much sense gratification; therefore I love a boy or a girl." That is
not love; that is lust. Love means without any motive. Without any
motive. Ahaituki. And that, that love cannot be checked by any
material impediments. Ahaituky apratihata yayatma suprasidati.
If you can reach that love of Godhead, then you'll feel, "Oh, I am so
fortunate." Otherwise we remain unfortunate. So love is there
everywhere. Even in cats' and dogs' love there is love. But the
perfection is when you actually find the person to love and you
actually do it, that is perfection.
Bali-mardana: Prabhupada, you
stated that on the Battlefield of Kurukshetra all the warriors who were
dying in the presence of Krishna, they all gained liberation. So I'm
wondering... Each one of us has within our heart also the
representative of Krishna. So when we die, why is not everyone
Prabhupada: But you have no
sense of Krishna. You have no sense of Krishna. Or actually you do not
die. That is another thing. This death means in the... That is
described in the Bhagavatam. Those who die before
Krishna, they attain their original position, svarupa. So that
is real success. Otherwise, there is no death. Na hanyate
hanyamane sharire [Bhagavad-gita 2.20]. It is not
death; when our body is destroyed, that does not mean we are dead. You
are spirit soul, I am spirit soul, every one of us, but we have no
death. That is another illusion. Tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras
tatra na muhyati [Bhagavad-gita 2.13]. This
so-called death, it is not death. Dhira, one who knows, one who
is sober, he knows that "This man or this boy or this father is
dying... He's not dying. Dehantara-praptih: he is just
changing another body. He's changing an..." So actually we have no
death. The change of body. So we are accepting this change of body as
death. That is another illusion. Dhiras tatra na muhyati.
One who is sober, he is not bewildered. He knows that... Suppose we are
sitting here. We are sitting here, and after a few minutes we shall go
away. That does not mean we are dead. We are in this apartment; we go
to another apartment. Tatha dehantara-praptih [Bhagavad-gita
2.13]. Similarly, nobody dies. It is change of body, from this body to
another body. So we have no death. This is illusion. So what is your
Bali-mardana: Simply that we
have Krishna within our heart. So why...
Prabhupada: Krishna why
heart? Krishna is everywhere. Andantara-stha-paramanu
-chayantara-stham [Brahma-samhita 5.35]. He is
within the atom. Antar bahih. Kunti prayed
... You have... I do not remember, but Kunti's prayer, that "Krishna,
You are within and without present, but nobody can see You." This is
Krishna's position. Krishna is within yourself, and Krishna is without.
But we do not see Krishna. The example is, nato natyadharo yatha.
Nata, a dramatic player, is dancing on the stage, and his
son or relative seeing, he cannot understand that who is dancing. He's
dancing before him, but because he's dressed in such a way that he
cannot understand, "Oh, he's my brother" or "father" or..., "dancing."
No. Therefore this example has been given, nato natyadharo yatha.
Krishna is everywhere, but because nato natyadharo yatha,
we cannot understand. This is our position. That requires knowledge.
That requires knowledge. Krishna is everywhere, not only within. He's
everywhere. Andantara-stha-paramanu-chayantara-stham govindam
adi-purusham tam aham bhajami **. So Krishna can be seen only by
person who has developed love for Krishna; otherwise, Krishna is
everywhere, everyone is seeing, but he cannot see. That is the
Bali-mardana: So all these
warriors on the battlefield, they were all Krishna conscious?
Bali-mardana: So all these
warriors on the battlefield, they were all Krishna conscious? Is that
Prabhupada: Yes. At least for
the time being, they knew that Krishna has come. Suppose a prominent
man comes in a big meeting. Is not everyone conscious of that person?
Devotee (2): Srila
you state that spirit soul has form.
Devotee (2): Otherwise, how
the material body grown to accommodate the spirit soul? Just like a
shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shapes
of the body. Does that mean that the spirit soul has the shape of the
body that is accommodating it?
Prabhupada: Yes. You have got
body, shape, very minute shape. That we cannot see, we cannot measure.
Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, anumeyam,
or... What is that? You cannot measure. What is that word used? Aprameyam.
Aprameyam. You cannot measure. But it has a form. How, what is the
length and breadth of that form, that is not in your power. In your
power, but not materially. That is... If you have got spiritual power,
then you can measure it. And that measurement is also given in the shastra.
What is that? One ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. Hair is a
very small point. And divide it into ten thousand parts. That one part
is the measure, magnitude of the soul.
shatadha kalpitasya cha
jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah
sa chanantyaya kalpate [Chaitanya-charitamrita
there. But you have no eyes to see, how to see one ten-thousandth
portion of the top of the hair. You cannot see even the original top of
the hair. Everything is there. We must have eyes. So Krishna is also
cchurita-bhakti-vilochanena santah sadaiva hridayeshu vilokayanti
[Brahma-samhita 5.38]. You were saying that Krishna is
within the heart, but who is seeing? Is it seen by the yogis,
bhakti-yogis? Because he has got love for Krishna. A bhakta
is always seeing, "Krishna is with me."
Devotee (2): Does that mean
that the spirit soul in my body is shaped like this body?
Prabhupada: Yes. Spirit soul,
he has got hands and legs and everything. That is body. Form means
hands and legs, not without form. The same example. Because I have got
my form, therefore my dress... This body is described as dress. The
dress has got two hands, just like your coat has got two hands;
actually, coat, the cloth has no hands, legs. That is impossible. But
because you have got your hands, your coat has assumed the hands. So
this material dress... These hands and legs are there because
originally we are spirit soul, we have got hands and legs. This is the
proof that we are not formless. With form. Because this body has been
described as dress, outward dress, different dress. Just like we are,
somebody white, somebody yellow, somebody black, somebody... This is
dress. But actually, we spirit soul, we are one. It is by dress we are
fighting. "You are Englishman," "I am German," "I am this," "I am
Indian," "I am that," "I am man," "I am woman." So many fighting on
account of this dress. So when you become dressless, that is the
spiritual platform. When you become dressless. Sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam
tat-paratvena nirmalam [Chaitanya-charitamrita
Madhya 19.170]. When we are free from all this designation dress. We
are now covered by this designation dress. "I am Indian," "I am
American," "I am Englishman," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am..." So
many, we have created dress. Just like innumerable quantity or quality
of dresses, similarly, these are all dresses. So the spiritual platform
sarvopadhi-vinir..., when we become free from all this
designation and fixed up in the understanding that "I am eternal
servant of Krishna," that is our real position. Yes?
Devotee (3): If Krishna's
name, fame, form and paraphernalia, everything is equal, then is it not
true that the devotee who worships the Lord in the temple, or sings,
you know, authorized songs in the Vaishnava songbook, is not that the
same, equal level as chanting the maha-mantra?
Devotee (3): Is chanting
Vaishnava songs on an equal level with maha-mantra?
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, that is
also... But first of all understand what is the
maha-mantra. He Krishna, Hare Krishna, "O the energy of
Krishna, please accept me." This is the prayer. This is addressing, He
Krishna, Hare Krishna, "Hara, please, now I am engaged in this
material service; kindly accept me in Your service." This is meaning of
Hare Krishna. So a relationship, requesting something. So all these
songs are like that, requesting relationship. Therefore they are the
same. Nirbandhah krishna-sambandhe yuktam vairagyam uchyate.
All right. Chant Hare Krishna. [end]