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No Such Thing as Independence

Hansadutta das
Questions and Answers, Malaysia, 16 March 1998

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We are forced into the womb of the mother, in a particle of semen of the father, then the embryo develops. Then we are forced out at birth. Then we are forced as babies to eat, forced this and forced that. Then forced to go to school. Then we are forced to marry and forced to go to work. Forced to pay the rent and buy the food. Everything is forced upon us, because we are prisoners of this material nature. Birth is forced upon us. Old age is forced upon us. Disease is forced upon us. And death is forced upon us.

Sarva Bhauma das: Excuse me, Maharaja, regarding the soul, Maharaja—

Hansadutta das: Soul.

Sarva Bhauma: Where is it actually positioned in our body, Maharaja?

Hansadutta: It is seated in the heart, and therefore the heart is pumping blood all over, like a water pump is pumping the water to all parts of the house. When the soul withdraws, the pump stops. When the pump stops, then we say death. But actually it's not death. Just as when the electricity is withdrawn from the pump, it stops pumping. The heart is pumping blood because the soul is there, and that blood carries consciousness to all parts of the body. The consciousness… the blood is the vehicle for carrying the consciousness throughout the body. Therefore, if you check the flow of blood, you experience loss of consciousness. Also, there are certain drugs that, when injected, also inhibit the consciousness. As long as the soul is in touch and the heart is pumping, we say the man is living. When the soul is withdrawn or leaves, then death takes place.

The body is a machine, yantra, Krishna says. "The living entity is seated as if on a machine made of material energy, and I," Krishna says, "I am also there. And I am directing the wanderings of all living beings all over the universe." (Bhagavad-gita 18.61) Krishna actually is the primary soul. We are the secondary soul. He is the landlord; we are the tenant. Like you rent an apartment. It's your apartment, but the landlord owns the building. He can kick you out—"You have to go." This is our position.

He is the primary consciousness. He is conscious of all bodies, and we are conscious only of this, our individual body. Krishna is conscious of all bodies.

Therefore, the whole creation is being orchestrated by Krishna. That's Paramatma, Supersoul, the supreme soul, individual soul. And it's just a spark of living force which is the catalyst that allows all the elements of this material body to harmonize. So many intricate arrangements in our body. Our hair is growing out. We cut it, and it keeps growing. We're breathing, we're blinking. The eyes are blinking. We hear sounds. We digest. We breathe. We sleep, we dream. We're breathing, digesting. We're growing. You see? The whole interaction of the material energy—earth, water, fire, air, ether—is going on without our knowledge. We don't know how it is happening, but it is happening.

Actually, we have no control. We are under control. We are under control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. "The whole material nature is working under My direction, producing all the moving and non-moving beings." Mayadhyakshena prakritih, Krishna says. (Bhagavad-gita 9.10) Foolishly, the living entity thinks, "I am doing it." But we are not doing anything. What are you doing? You are doing nothing. You are being forced. You are breathing in and out, but you are forced to do it, because if you stop, you will die. You cannot stop. Even if you try to stop, you cannot. You cannot stop blinking your eyes. You cannot stop thinking. You cannot stop your heart from pumping. You cannot stop growing. My children say, "But I don't want to grow up." But you will. You have to. You see? My daughter says, "No, I'm never going to get married." But we know that she will. Because, you see, we're under the grip of the material energy, and everything is forced upon us. We are forced into the womb of the mother, in a particle of semen of the father, then the embryo develops. Then we are forced out at birth. Then we are forced as babies to eat, forced this and forced that. Then forced to go to school. Then we are forced to marry and forced to go to work. Forced to pay the rent and buy the food. Everything is forced upon us, because we are prisoners of this material nature. Birth is forced upon us. Old age is forced upon us. Disease is forced upon us. And death is forced upon us.

So if we want freedom and peace, then we must submit, we must surrender to Krishna. Krishna says, "Give up all other responsibilities. Just surrender unto Me. I will protect you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear." ( Bhagavad-gita 18.66) And "One who comes to My abode never returns to this miserable and temporary world." ( Bhagavad-gita 8.16) This should be the concern of the human being. Other things are forced upon you. There is nothing to worry about. You'll be forced to go to school, to get married, to go to work, and children will come, and they will grow, and they will force you to give them money and education and get them married. These are all forced upon us. We have only one freedom, and that freedom is to surrender to Krishna: "Okay, Krishna, I've had enough. Please accept me." That is our freedom. Or we can continue to resist or avoid Krishna: "No, I don't want to surrender to Krishna. I want to be free."

Prabhupada gave the example that the conditioned soul is so obstinate to remain away from Krishna that even if you offer the poorest man… like in India, the riksha-wallas the riksha drivers (those who have been in India know) are in a miserable situation, very difficult. If you offer to them, "Look, you come with me, leave the riksha, and I will give you food, I will give you nice clothing, a nice place to live; just you chant Hare Krishna," he'll say, "No sir. I want my freedom." So his freedom consists of pedaling a riksha for a few rupees, a humiliating engagement. And their food is just some channa, a little salt and chile, and they eat. Their life span is 30 years, 33 or 35. The conditioned soul has come to the material world to avoid the service of Krishna and to be so-called independent, free. But actually he is not free. He is a prisoner. Just like… you [Nrsimha Chaitanya das] know, right? The prisoners… even after they are arrested and put into prison, still they're resolute—"We'll do whatever we want." Right? Very rarely do they become repentant.

This is the situation. That is maya. Maya means thinking, "I am free, I am independent." All the countries that have had revolution in the last hundred years or more— American independence, India has achieved independence, Malaysia and Singapore and others have become independent. What is independence? Real independence means surrender to Krishna. Political independence is meaningless. What's the difference? You're under the British or you're under the Malays? What's the difference? Same birth, death, old age and disease. Real independence means spiritual independence, to surrender to Krishna and leave material existence altogether. Not adjusting from British to Malay to Singapore. Real independence means to give up material existence, go home back to Godhead. Hare Krishna.

Sac-cid-ananda das: Maharaja, may I ask you a question?

Hansadutta: Yes.

Sac-cid-ananda das: When the soul enters the womb of the mother, are they the same for every… are they the same nature as other souls?

Hansadutta: Is the soul the same nature?

Sac-cid-ananda das: Yes, or are they all different?

Hansadutta: In the Bhagavatam (Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.31.1) There is a verse: karmana daiva-netrena jantur dehopapattaye: According to one's work, karma, and under the supervision of superior authority, the soul, in a particle of male semen, is put into the womb of the mother to get exactly the type of body which is suitable for his karmic reaction. It's not haphazard. It's not accidental. It is precisely being controlled by higher authorities. And someone will say, "Oh, there are so many particles of semen. How is it that it could be? There are millions and millions, right? Why would one particular soul be designated? How is that possible?" But it is. Just like during rush hour in Los Angeles there are millions of cars on the freeway, but each car knows exactly how to get to his place. When you just look, you think, "Whoa, there are so many." But they are all conscious of where to go. There is nothing happening in God's creation accidentally. Everything is happening by design. Everything has a purpose and direction, design. There is higher authority. Only children, foolish children, think things are running automatically, like the fan is just running automatically. No. There is so much technology behind. And the electricity is coming from a long way. A slight rupture in the line, and everything stops.

The science of Krishna consciousness is real education for the human being—not this material science. Spiritual science: how we are coming into material existence, how we are being controlled, how we are being contaminated, how we can be purified, how we can go back to Godhead. That should be our education. That is education.

Sac-cid-ananda das: Is there a way we can see the difference between souls, the person who is a devotee and the person who is non-devotee? What is the nature of that soul within the person of a non-devotee?

Hansadutta: Quality of the soul is the same. The quality is sach-chid-ananda. It is eternal, sat ; chid, full of knowledge; and ananda, by nature joyful. But the soul has freedom to choose to serve Krishna or to act independently. If he goes against Krishna, he is captured by the material energy. Just like a citizen… if he goes against the government, then the police department will capture him. They're all the same, right—the citizens? They're all citizens. But what is it? It is his attitude. When his attitude changes, then he is arrested. You follow? Conditioned soul, or liberated soul, the quality is the same. But the consciousness, the intention has changed. It can change. You have freedom. You can submit, or you can resist. Right? Even sometimes the prime minister is arrested. Right? Sometimes. It's the attitude that makes the difference between material and spiritual.

What is that attitude? Service attitude is spiritual, and enjoying or the exploiting attitude is material. To exploit. We see that attitude from the very early days of children. They want everything. "What is this? I want this, I want that. I want this." If there are two children, they start fighting, although they have no use for it, but they are fighting. The possessive attitude, the enjoying attitude, is exhibited from the very beginning. It has to be transformed. It has to be reverted back to its original service attitude by devotional practice, devotional service.

Sarva Bhauma: The effects of karma, Maharaja, on the soul? It has no effect on the soul at all?

Hansadutta: No, not really. But because the soul identifies with the karmic act, he suffers. Because of his identification with it. Just like you sleep, you have some dream, a nightmare. Because you identify with it, you suffer. Actually nothing is happening. I'm sitting here, you're sitting there. Nothing's happening. Why are you crying? Because you are identifying with the nightmare. Or for example, if your children are watching some movie, something scary, they become scared. Why? Because of the identification with those images. Actually nothing is happening. It's just some electric machine is flipping. Nothing is happening, right? But because of identification…. So when I identify…. Another example… the peacock (I don't know if you know, but we have peacocks)… when they see themselves in the mirror, they become captivated. They crane the neck and look from side to side. Actually, nothing is there. It's just a reflection, but they think it's another bird. So they become mesmerized.

We are similarly mesmerized by this body. We are thinking, "I'm this body, I'm so nice, a good person." And then it expands from my body to the body of the wife, to the body of the children who come through the wife, to the relatives, to the countrymen, to the properties. The bodily concept is expanded. So we have to dismantle it. How? By realizing that I'm not this body. The body belongs to Krishna. I am Krishna's servant. The body should be used for the service of Krishna. Then, everything remains, but my attitude, my perception has changed to the proper perspective. Not my body; it's Krishna's body. Just like you work for the government and they give you a car. It's not your car; it's their car. Right? They give you other facilities. It's theirs. And as soon as you forget, you're in trouble. Right? Similarly, Krishna has given everything. Krishna actually has given everything, but we are thinking, "It's mine." "My body," "my wife," "my children," "my house," "my car," "my country." We're so deep in maya that millions of people will go to war and give their life for their country. It's not your country. It's Krishna's. Everything.

And so Krishna consciousness will solve all problems—social, economic, political, all problems, individual. Any problem, the cause is forgetfulness of Krishna. If Krishna consciousness is awakened, the problem will be solved. Just as the man in sleep, his nightmare is causing him to suffer. As soon as he is awakened, his problem is over. He sees, "Oh, there's no problem." It's exactly like that.

This practice… it's a practice, and like everything we practice… We have practiced the whole life to be in ignorance, so we should practice the rest of life to be awake. We have practiced to be foolish. We are taught to be fools, and we accept it. So now we have to learn to be intelligent, to be conscious. That's all. So practice. Hare Krishna.

Arjuna das: What about the karma? How does the soul take this karma, Maharaja?

Hansadutta: The karma is imposed by higher authority, just like the police. What is the difference between a criminal and a law-abiding citizen? They eat the same food, everything is the same, but they come under higher authority. The jurisdiction of the police department acts on them. Why? Because they have transgressed the law in some capacity. Maya, material energy, is the police department of the Lord. Durga acts as the agent of the Lord to enforce karmic reaction. How does Durga know? Because the whole creation is supervised by higher authority. Just like government has undercover men. They have all kinds of ways to know whether you are abiding by the law or transgressing. You may not be aware. You may be under surveillance. They may check the tax return. Whatever. As we experience it in our small circle of activity that there are higher authorities, similarly, in the creation, the universe is being supervised by higher authorities, devas. Thirty-three million devas. We are always under surveillance. Why? Krishna is within, Krishna is without. Everything is being recorded. There is gross earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and ego. Material nature is very subtle. There are subtle laws. Because we are in ignorance, we don't see. We don't understand. But as we become purified, we begin to see how everything is being conducted by conscious authority.

That's the meaning of Krishna consciousness: to become awake to where am I, what are the consequences of my actions, my thoughts. Even my thoughts have consequences. Thoughts are things. Even my thoughts produce reactions. That is explained in Bhagavad-gita (2.62): "When a man dwells on sense objects, he becomes attached to them. From attachment comes lust." And so on. You follow? Like a seed… you drop it in the ground, and one month later, something is coming out. Thoughts are seeds for future deeds. "As a man's inner desire, so is his thought, as his thought is, so is his deed, and as his deed is, so is his destiny." [recording interrupted]…and in the intellect, in the mind, then in the sound, and then gradually in the grosser form, and so on.

The same process can be reversed: if I think of Krishna and act for Krishna, speak for Krishna, then everything is reversed. Everything is neutralized. We neutralize. Because the karmic reactions have been set in motion since time immemorial in our wandering. When we… manmana bhava mad-bhaktah: Krishna says, "Think of Me." (Bhagavad-gita 18.65) What is chanting? Mantra. Man means mind, tra means to deliver our mind from our obsessions for sense enjoyment. So mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. We're neutralizing, you see? We're purifying. We're cleansing the contaminated mind of designations, upadhis, thinking "I am Indian," "I am this, I am that," "This is mine." All this is being washed away—all the accumulated dirt. Because mind is the best friend, and mind is the enemy. "For one who has failed to control it, his mind is his worst enemy." (Bhagavad-gita 6.6) When mind is clean, then we do not become implicated in sinful activities. And when it becomes polluted, lust. Arjuna asks Krishna, "What is it that impels a man to do sinful things?" "It is lust only," Krishna says. (Bhagavad-gita 3.36-37) By chanting, by associating, by the process of devotional service, the lust is neutralized, or purified and transformed to its original loving quality. Love and lust.

Anything done for one's personal sense gratification is sinful. In one word. Just like my hand. My hand is acting only for the welfare of my whole body. If the hand cannot act for the welfare, if it is shaking, then it's a diseased hand. So the living entity, when he acts without any reference to Krishna, that's sinful. That's karma. The same action, when performed for Krishna, is yoga. Arjuna is killing on the battlefield. It's yoga, bhakti-yoga. It's good. People cannot understand. How can killing be good? Because Krishna wanted it. Krishna said, "I want you to do this for Me." And Arjuna did it.

The policeman shoots a criminal. Very good, he gets a medal. If the same man shoots someone for his personal motives, they hang him. The shooting is the same, but the intention… one is considered a service, and the other one is murder. Nothing is good or bad, because everything is from Krishna, so everything is good if it is used for Krishna. That's the principle. Not that we're going to stop eating, stop…. We're not going to stop anything. We do everything, but we connect to Krishna.

Sarva Bhauma: Regarding the chanting of the mantra, Maharaja, I read from the Shikshamrita, it says that all mantras should be chanted silently, except for this maha-mantra. And then it says that the maha-mantra can be loud chanting or it can be silent chanting.

Hansadutta: Not silent, but japa, chanting on beads. Chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna. It's not silent, but you're chanting alone. Chanting in kirtan means everyone is chanting.

Sarva Bhauma: It says silent chanting.

Hansadutta: The chanting is not silent. It's just you chanting to yourself, by yourself. It's not silent, no.

Sarva Bhauma: What I mean, Maharaja, is the reading is like that.

Hansadutta: No, it's actually making a sound. When you chant on your beads, "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna," you make the sound. In fact, Prabhupada often would say, "Chant loudly." Because if we don't move our lips and make the sound, our mind will wander. We fall asleep.

Sarva Bhauma: What about whispering, Maharaja? According to—

Hansadutta: No, chant aloud: "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama, Rama, Hare, Hare." Prabhupada told us to chant distinctly, audibly so that you can hear. We vibrate, and we hear. The mind is fixed between these two: hearing and chanting. The mind is then arrested. The whole idea is to concentrate on the sound. The sound is Krishna. Just like concentrate on the taste. Concentrate on the sound. The sound is Krishna. We haven't to imagine anything. Just hear the sound, as you would hear the sound of some beautiful music. So chanting and hearing.

Sarva Bhauma: Chanting of the maha-mantra for all occasions should be loud?

Hansadutta: Unless you're in a place where people are going to be disturbed with you, like at work or somewhere where they're going to be irritated by you. Yes.

Just like children are chanting multiplication tables loudly, right? "A B C D E F G." Because if they don't, they'll wander.

Sac-cid-ananda: What is the atma? This spirit soul? What is it doing inside?

Hansadutta: What is it doing? In what sense doing? Doing, like what?

Sac-cid-ananda: What is its goal, Maharaja?

Hansadutta: Goal?

Sac-cid-ananda: What is it doing inside? What is its function?

Hansadutta: What more is there? It's life. The soul is life. We are the soul. Not that we have a soul. We are soul. We are the spark of living force, upon which this body is expanded. You see? They don't know what electricity is. They only know that it works. Nobody knows. Similarly, living force is the basis of all manifestation. Without living force, nothing can take shape. Your body is an expansion of the soul.

Now, how that is, that's… atatho brahma jijnasa (Vedanta-sutras): to find out what is that soul, what is its nature, what am I is the whole aim of human existence. This one question: atatho brahma jijnasa, to find out what I am. I'm the soul. Bhagavad-gita says you are soul. What is soul? There is a process to know, to actually realize what soul is, what I am, what is Krishna, what is the relationship with Krishna, what is this material world. This is the subject for human beings to study. We're wasting our time studying technology. There's no necessity. We need to know what I am. I need to know, I want to know what I am. Isn't it? That's what we want. We want to know what we are. That's a good question.

Sac-cid-ananda: Why our soul cannot control?

Hansadutta: It can, but for so long you have left it uncontrolled. So it will take some time to bring it under control. Just like when a child is small, he cannot control his hands. But he learns gradually. It takes time. So as we learn to control our gross bodily organs, the subtle organ, the mind, is the primary thing to be controlled, because when mind is controlled, then you can know what you are. But when mind is out of control, you're crazy. We are in a crazy condition. We are, in the present moment, in a state of insanity. Why? Because we cannot control our mind. Mind says, "Have a drink," so we have a drink. Mind says, "Smoke," and we smoke. Although these things are irrational, we do it. Why? Because mind is out of control. When mind is under control, then you can control also your senses. A man kills someone. Why? Because his mind is out of control. He becomes so angry, furious.

Arjuna: Disturbed.

Hansadutta: Right, disturbed. Out of control. So yoga… all the yoga practices aim at bringing the mind under control, whether it's hatha-yoga, asthanga-yoga, bhakti-yoga, raja-yoga, jnana-yoga. All the yogas aim at one thing: to control the mind. If you cannot control your mind, then you're a crazy man. And more or less, everyone is crazy, because they're not controlling their minds.

Sac-cid-ananda: Excuse me, Maharaja. Last night I listened to your talk about the soul and how the body is an expansion—

Hansadutta: Expansion.

Sac-cid-ananda: —of the soul, and the soul is spiritual; whereas the body is material. What is in between?

Hansadutta: Mind.

Sac-cid-ananda: Why did the body become… [Inaudible]… leaving the soul?

Hansadutta: Yes, because you have material desire. You have material desire, you get a material body. When desires are spiritual, you get a spiritual body. Just like when you have criminal desires, you get a criminal suit, right? When you again become released from prison, you get a free man's suit. It's something like that. Everything depends on desire. "As my desire is, so is my deed. As my deed is, so is my destiny."

The basis of all material activity is desire. Like in America, a big problem is people cannot stop eating. It's a big business to lose weight. It's a colossal business. People are just eating and eating and getting fat. Why? Because they're thinking, "I'm this body." They're trying to find some satisfaction in sense enjoyment. They eat more and more and more and more. And then, the next thing is, "Okay, lose weight." Or addiction. People are addicted to smoking, drinking. So many addictions. Why? Because the original addiction is "I am this body." I am addicted to the bodily concept and compelled to satisfy the impulses of my senses. The senses want some stimulation, so it results in various addictions—addiction to food, addiction to drugs, to alcohol, addiction to stealing, addiction to sex, addiction. Every addiction is based on that one point. So if I can break that one point, then I can be free from addiction. I don't know about here, but in America, most crimes are drug or alcohol related. Is it not?

Nrsimha Chaitanya: Drugs involved. And alcohol.

Hansadutta: Drug and alcohol related. Seventy-five or eighty percent. Why? Because when I take drugs, my mind becomes more uncontrolled, so I do things which normally I would not do. Therefore Prabhupada… he was speaking with the Chief of Police of Detroit, and he told him that he had a program to stop crime. The Chief said, "What is it?" He said, "Chant Hare Krishna." The Chief said, "No, no. I mean, you know…" and Prabhupada said, "No, that is the program." Because people have the lusty desire in the heart, and unless it is removed, they cannot stop committing crime. They know better, but they still are compelled, because of lust. So by chanting Hare Krishna, crime will go down.

So we have to change the addiction to Krishna. We have to be addicted, because we're dependent. But we shouldn't be drug dependent, alcohol dependent. We should be Krishna dependent. Then the need for addiction will be satisfied. I need to be addicted, to be attached, because that's my nature. Just like the leaf… the leaf needs to be attached to the tree. Without attachment to the tree, the leaf is finished. We're like that. We need to be attached to something. When that something is Krishna, then it's okay.

Arjuna: Our present condition is because of our previous, former karma? What is the cause of the first birth?

Hansadutta: Aversion to serve Krishna.

Arjuna: The first birth?

Hansadutta: You don't want… "Why serve Krishna?" When that consciousness develops—"Why should I serve Krishna?" then immediately you are put into the material atmosphere so that you can pursue your independence. As soon as we express our desire for independence, it takes us into material existence. As soon as you go against Krishna, immediately you come to the material atmosphere, because the material atmosphere is where everyone is exercising their independence. That's what material life is. Everyone wants to be independent. And in spiritual life, everyone wants to serve Krishna. The basis of conditioned life is the desire to be independent. In other words, to avoid the service of Krishna. That's the basis. Just like a boy says, "No, no, I'll do it myself! Don't tell me." That attitude. When the soul exhibits that, then immediately Krishna gives him the facility—"Oh, you want to? Go, be independent." Krishna doesn't interfere with us. He always gives us freedom. You can serve, or you can…. You can submit, or you can resist.

Sarva Bhauma: I find that Maharaja doesn't much emphasize these ritualistic ceremonies and all that.

Hansadutta: Me?

Sarva Bhauma: Ritualistic ceremonies.

Hansadutta: Why should we? What for?

Sarva Bhauma: We, as grihasthas, we live in a community. Sometimes we have to observe. Even Krishna observed. Balarama observed.

Hansadutta: What's the question?

Sarva Bhauma: Your emphasis is mostly on chanting, and more significance is being put into—

Hansadutta: Prasadam. What about prasadam? [Laughter]

Sarva Bhauma: Being in grihasta ashram with wife and children and all, sometimes we can't avoid getting into these types of ritualistic ceremonies.

Hansadutta: Like what? For example? Give me an example.

Sarva Bhauma: Elaborate marriage ceremonies—

Hansadutta: Yes, sure.

Sarva Bhauma: Funerals—

Hansadutta: You already do all that. Why should I talk about it? You know all about it. Right? You know all those things. Why should I… you know better than me. Why should we speak of those things we don't know of. Everyone knows. We know how to do that. We go to work, we earn money, the wife is never satisfied. We know all that. Right? The children always want something. They go to school. The government wants taxes. We know all those things. We're being pressed. The one thing we need constant reminder and association and assurance and inspiration for is Krishna consciousness. Other things… we know that. You have to marry your children. You have to make your relatives happy. You don't want to, but you have to. So many things we have to do. Just like the prisoner in jail is forced to do so many things. He doesn't want to do, but he's forced to do. He's always thinking about when he's going to be released, how to be released. We're like that. This is so nice, right? Krishna consciousness. But soon, "Well, I have to go. My wife and my children and my work, and then I have to do something else…." These are the key elements. We want to go more towards Krishna. And the other things…. Prabhupada said, "Make the best of a bad bargain." We do what we have to do.

Rituals are like children are made to do homework. But once they have graduated, they don't do homework. The ritual is finished. Then they… right? Krishna consciousness is the topmost platform. It's not dry. To read Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, chant Hare Krishna, these are all very pleasing. In material life there are rituals, but they are very burdensome. They're boring. There's a difference.

Krishna consciousness is not ritualistic. It's not karmic. Krishna consciousness is not performed for some other purpose. Ritualistic activities are performed for some material result. Krishna consciousness is not performed for any reason. It's causeless. It's spiritual, absolute. It's for its own… the purpose and goal are one and the same. When Prabhupada was asked, "What is the result of chanting Hare Krishna?" he said, "The result of chanting is more chanting. And the result of more chanting is more chanting." The chanting is both the goal and the means to the goal. It is Krishna. The holy name of Krishna. The sound Krishna and Krishna are identical. We are chanting, and this means associating with Krishna for no other reason than to associate with Him because that is the most satisfying engagement. Just like when we had school friends, we just wanted to be with our friends, because it was pleasing. We are always searching for Krishna.

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