Yogesvara:
One problem that seems to be occurring more and more frequently is the
appearance of terrorists, that is to say, men who are motivated for
some political, mostly political reasons.
Prabhupada: Yes the whole basic principle I have already
explained. Because they are animals, so sometimes ferocious animal.
That's all. Animal... there are different types of animals. Tigers and
lions, they are ferocious animal. But you live in the animal society.
So animal society... some... another animal comes as very ferocious.
That is not very astonishing. After all, you are living in animal
society. So you become human being, ideal. This is the only solution.
We have already declared: this is animal society. If some ferocious
animal comes out, so where is the astonishment? After all, it is animal
society. Either a tiger comes or elephant comes, they are all animals.
That's all. But you don't become animal. Counteract. That is required.
Then after... A human being is called rational animal. If you come to
the rationality, that is required. If you remain also another animal,
another type of animal, that will not help you. You have to become
actually human being. But durlabham manusham janma tad apy
adhruvam arthadam. You have to... These people they have no aim
of life. What is the aim of human...? They do not know. So their animal
propensities are being adjusted this way, that way, this way, that way.
Just like they go to see naked dance. The animal propensity—he is
seeing his wife daily naked, and still he is going to see naked dance,
and paying some fees. Because they have no engagement except this
animalism. Is it not? So what is the use of going to see another woman
naked? You are seeing every day, every night, your wife naked. Why you
are... Because they have no other engagement. The animals. Punah
punash charvita-carvananam [Srimad-Bhagavatam
7.5.30]. That a dog, it does not know what is the taste. He is simply
chewing the one bone, this way, that way, this way, that way. Because
he is animal. He has no other engagement. So this whole society is
animal. Especially the westerners. And they have developed a
civilization on that animal propensities—means "I am this body, and the
best use of my life is to gratify senses." This is animal. "I am this
body." Body means the senses. "And to satisfy the senses is the highest
perfection." This is their civilization. So you have to introduce real
human civilization. You should not be surprised, an animal—in different
shapes, in different capacity—comes out. After all, he is an animal.
The basic principle is animalism. Because he is thinking, "I am this
body..." As the dog is thinking, "I am dog, very stout and strong dog,"
so another man is thinking, "I am big nation." But what is the basic
principle? A dog is also thinking on the basis of his body, and this
big nation is also thinking on the basis of body. So there is no
difference between this dog and this big nation. The only difference is
that human being, by nature's gift, he has got better senses. So... And
he has no power, or there is no education to utilize the better senses,
how to advance spiritually and get out of this material world. That he
has no sense. He is simply using that better intelligence for
animalism. This is the meaning. He has no education how to utilize the
better intelligence. Therefore he is utilizing only in animalism. And
people all over the world, when they see the westerners, "They are
advanced." What is that? Advancing in animalism. Basic principle
remains the animalism. They become surprised. They also imitate. So
they are expanding animalism, animal civilization. Now we have to
counteract for the benefit of the human civilization.
Satsvarupa: They are so ignorant that—
Prabhupada: An animal is always ignorant.
Satsvarupa: When we stress on this point, they become very
shocked that we talk like this.
Prabhupada: Yes. Murkhayopadesho hi prakopayati na...[?]
Satsvarupa: "You are calling us animals?"
Prabhupada: Yes, they are animals. Yes. If they are
sensible, they can understand, now, what is the difference. A dog is
thinking, "I am very stout and strong dog." He has, on the basis of his
body. And another man, a big American, thinks, "We are very big nation,
powerful nation." So what is the difference between these? The basic
principle is there, the bodily consciousness. Therefore it is
animalism. Is it not? The basic principle has not changed. Suppose a
pickpocket... The same story, Alexander the Great and the thief. He was
arrested, and when he convinced him that "What is the difference
between you and me? You have got good military strength. You are
conquering. And I have got my knife and another thing. I am just going
and plundering. So you are also plundering, I am plundering. Why you
have caught me? What right you have got to punish me? Because we are
the same. You are doing in a larger scale, I am doing in a small scale.
That is the difference." So he was set free, "Yes." Alexander the
Great, he was sensible man, "Yes, what I am doing? The same thing in a
bigger scale that's all." So these rascal, actually, they are animals,
but they are declaring advancement. What advancement? The same thing:
eating, sleeping, sex and defending. That is animal... The dogs also do
like that. They also eat, they also sleep, they have sex life. Now they
are coming to the dog's life. A dog, just like street, they have sex
life. They are coming, advance. This is advancement, that "We have
become now pure dog. So long it was hidden, now we are open." This is
the civilization, animal civilization.
Yogesvara: So many social reformers will agree with you—
Prabhupada: What social? He is animal. How he can reform?
First of all, let him become man. What reform? What is the meaning of
his reform? He is animal also. That's all. You cannot expect any
reformation by the same animal. That is explained. Shva-vid-varahoshtra-kharaih
samstutah purushah pashuh [Srimad-Bhagavatam
2.3.19]. The so-called leader he is also animal, and he is eulogized by
another animal. This is going on. And another animal, one animal, big
animal is being elected as the president. Therefore you are suffering.
Nixon. What is Nixon? He is also another animal. And the animals have
elected him president. Just see. This is going on. Where is the human
being?
Dhananjaya: Just like in the forest. The animals, they
select the lion to be the king.
Prabhupada: Yes. So this is going on. That is condemned.
One who is not God-conscious, one who does not know that he is not
body, he is animal. That's all. Maybe in different dress, in
different... So you have to set up real human society in a small scale
so people will see, "Yes." Because man has got intelligence. Just like,
although I am condemning the western mode of life, still, so many
western young boys, they have come. I never came to speak to flatter
you, that "Your western civilization is very nice." I never said that.
Why you are coming? I never came to flatter you, neither I never came
to say, "Yes, there is no God." I am speaking just opposite, everything
opposite. "You are drunkard; no drink. You are illicit sex hunters; no
illicit sex." So I am just speaking opposite, from the beginning of my
preaching. So why you are coming? So if you stick to your position,
real human civilization, people will come, gradually. Because they have
got the sense. When we say others are animals, demons, we don't say
whimsically, capriciously, no. On the basis of sound knowledge.
Therefore our declaration is completely right. We are not mental
speculators, that I say some gentleman, "You are animal." No. I see, I
know, that he is animal. Therefore I say. A man is running his
motorcar, [makes sound] rarararara, and a dog is running. We don't see
any difference, although he is on the motorcar. We don't find any
difference. He is as good as the dog. Unnecessarily he is running. What
is the meaning of running of the dog?
Dhananjaya: Actually the man is making more noise than the
dog.
Prabhupada: That's all. So we say another dog is running
in a different way. That's all. These are very strong words. People
will be angry. But this is a fact.
