[Posted
December 17, 2009]
The Market Oracle Dec 12, 2009
- JAMES QUINN
The world's movements for freedom through political, economic, social, and cultural propaganda can do no benefit to anyone, for they are controlled by superior power. A conditioned living being is under the full control of material nature, represented by eternal time and activities under the dictation of different modes of nature. There are three material modes of nature, namely goodness, passion and ignorance. Unless one is situated in the mode of goodness, one cannot see things as they are. The passionate and the ignorant cannot even see things as they are. Therefore a person who is passionate and ignorant cannot direct his activities on the right path. Only the man in the quality of goodness can help to a certain extent. Most persons are passionate and ignorant, and therefore their plans and projects can hardly do any good to others. Above the modes of nature is eternal time, which is called kala because it changes the shape of everything in the material world. Even if we are able to do something temporarily beneficial, time will see that the good project is frustrated in course of time. The only thing possible to be done is to get rid of eternal time, kala, which is compared to kala-sarpa, or the cobra snake, whose bite is always lethal. No one can be saved from the bite of a cobra. The best remedy for getting out of the clutches of the cobralike kala or its integrity, the modes of nature, is bhakti-yoga, as it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gita (14.26: "One who engages in full devotional service, unfailing in all circumstances, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman."). The highest perfectional project of philanthropic activities is to engage everyone in the act of preaching bhakti-yoga all over the world because that alone can save the people from the control of maya, or the material nature represented by kala, karma and guna [the three modes of material nature – goodness, passion and ignorance], as described above. The Bhagavad-gita (14.26) confirms this definitely.
MR. ORWELL: Are you saying that this material life is like an evil prison, and that the real goal is another life?
PRABHUPADA: Yes. Now you have understood. This material life, with its repeated birth, disease, old age, and death, is not a desirable life. To live in this jail is not desirable.
MR. ORWELL: In other words, in a sense, one should repudiate this life, this world.
PRABHUPADA: Not repudiate—understand.
MR. ORWELL: That it is not a good life?
PRABHUPADA: That it is not a good life. The material world means false identification of the body with the self.
MR. ORWELL: Well, isn't it important to try to improve this life so it won't be a prison?
PRABHUPADA: Yes, and to improve it means to understand that I am not a person of the jail; I am a person of freedom. The trouble is that, after living in the jail for a long time, one tends to think, "Outside the jail I cannot live."
MR. ORWELL: Well, I hope we all get out of it somehow, some way.
PRABHUPADA: Yes, and that is why we are trying to educate the prisoners: "Your life is not perfect within the jail. Your perfect life is outside the jail." This is our education.
MR. ORWELL: Life cannot be perfect in the jail?
PRABHUPADA: No, but when we try to instruct them, the persons in the jail are thinking, "What is this? He is not working to improve the jail life?" They are such fools and rascals that they cannot understand that one can live outside the jail.
MR. ORWELL: If you are not working for the jail life, why are you here?
PRABHUPADA: Suppose a man has gone to jail and he becomes reformed. He may take up the task of giving education to the prisoners: "My dear brothers, this life is not good. Become honest. Then you will be released from jail and not have to return." So the other prisoners are working hard. They are hammering bricks. But instead of taking his advice, they resent him: "This man is not hammering bricks. He is only talking."
MR. ORWELL: In other words, you think people should get away from what they are doing in the world?
PRABHUPADA: No, don't misunderstand. As long as you are in the jail, you have to work according to the principles of the jail. But you must know that jail life is not good, that it is not all in all.
MR. ORWELL: Well, when you get through instructing the men hammering the bricks, are they going to lay down their hammers, too?
PRABHUPADA: No, they don't need to. Try to understand. They may continue hammering, but their knowledge will be complete. At least they must know, "This hammering is not our real business; it is our punishment." That is knowledge.
MR. ORWELL: Isn't that a rather negative way to look at it?
PRABHUPADA: Why negative? That is a positive understanding. If you are suffering, and I say, "Don't suffer," is that negative, or is that positive?
MR. ORWELL: Why is work in the world necessarily suffering? It is a mixture of pain and joy. It seems negative to look upon it as all punishment.
PRABHUPADA: That is why people are envious of Krishna conscious men. People say, "These men are not hammering like us. They must think there is no value in our hammering." In this way, most people think hammering is the real business of life. So, our business is to educate them: "Your hammering is not your real business. Freedom is your real business."