are worshiping Govindam, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the
original person. So this sound, govindam adi-purusam tam aham
is reaching Him. He is hearing. You cannot say that He is not hearing.
Can you say? No. Especially in this scientific age, when television,
radio messages are broadcast thousands and thousands of miles away, and
you can hear, now why can you...? Why Krishna cannot hear your prayer,
sincere prayer? How can you say it? Nobody can deny it. So, premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
vilokayanti [Brahma-samhita 5.38]. Just like
thousands of miles away
you can transfer the television picture or your radio sound, similarly,
if you can prepare yourself, then you can see always Govinda. It is not
difficult. This is stated in Brahma-samhita: premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena.
you have to prepare your
eyes, your mind in that way.
Here is a television box within your
heart. This is the perfection of yoga. It is not you have to
one machine, or television set. It is there, and God is also there. You
can see, you can hear, you can talk, provided you have got the machine.
You repair it, that's all. The repairing process is Krishna
consciousness. Otherwise, everything is supplied, complete, complete
set of machine you have got within you. And just like for repairing, an
expert mechanic required, similarly, you require the help of someone
expert. Then you'll see that your machine is working. It is not
difficult to understand. Nobody can say that it is not possible.
In the shastra we hear also. Sadhu sastra, guru
vakya, tinete kariya aikya.
Spiritual realization can be perfected by three parallel process. Sadhu.
Sadhu means saintly persons, who are
realized souls, sadhu. And shastra. Sastra
authoritative scriptures, Vedic
scriptures, sastra. Sadhu, sastra, and guru, a
spiritual master. Three
parallel lines. And if you place your car or vehicle on these three
parallel lines, your car will go direct to Krishna. Tinete
Just like in the railway line you see two parallel lines. If they are
in order, the railway carriages are carried very smoothly to the
destination. Here also, there are three parallel lines -- sadhu,
sastra, guru: saintly person, association of saintly person,
of bona fide spiritual master, and faith in the scriptures. That's all.
Then your carriage will be going nicely, without any disturbance. Sadhu
sastra guru vakya, tinete kariya aikya.
So here in the Bhagavad-gita, the Supreme Personality of
explaining Himself, Krishna. So if you say, "How can I believe that
said? Somebody has written in the name of Krishna that 'Krishna said,'
said.' " No. This is called disciplic succession. You will see in this
book, Bhagavad-gita, Krishna, what Krishna said, and how
These things are described there. And the sadhu, saintly
beginning from Vyasadeva, Narada, down to many acharyas—Ramanujacarya,
Madhvacarya, Vishnu Svami, and latest, Lord Chaitanya—in this way they
have accepted: "Yes. It is spoken by Krishna." So this is the proof. If
saintly persons have accepted... They have not denied. Authorities,
they have accepted, "Yes." This is called sadhu. And because sadhu,
saintly persons have accepted, therefore it is scripture. That is the
test. Just like... It is common sense affair. If the lawyers accept
some book, then it is to be understood that this is lawbook. You cannot
say that "How can I accept this is law?" The evidence is the lawyers
are accepting. Medical... If the medical practitioners accept, then
that is authoritative medical. Similarly, if saintly persons are
accepting Bhagavad-gita as scripture, you cannot deny it.
saintly persons and scriptures, two things, and with spiritual master,
three, three parallel lines, who accept the sadhu and the
scripture. Sadhu confirms the scriptures and spiritual master
scripture. Simple process. So they are not in disagreement. What is
spoken in the scripture is accepted by saintly person, and what is
spoken in the scripture, the spiritual master explains only that thing.
That's all. So via media is the scripture. Just like lawyer and the
litigants-via media is the lawbook. Similarly, the spiritual master,
the scripture... Saintly person means who confirms the Vedic
injunction, who accepts. And scripture means what is accepted by the
saintly person. And spiritual master means who follows the scriptures.
So things equal to the same thing are equal to one another. This is
axiomatic truth. If you have got one hundred dollars, and another man
has got hundred dollars, and if I have got hundred dollars, then we are
all equal. Similarly, sadhu sastra guru vakya, when these
parallel lines in agreement, then life is success.
So here Krishna is speaking Bhagavad-gita, mayy
asakta-manah, about the yoga system. He has already
concluded in the Sixth
Chapter the yoga
system. In the first six chapters it is explained what is the
constitutional position of the living entity. There are eighteen
chapters in the Bhagavad-gita. The first six chapters
explains only the
constitutional position of the living entities. And when it is
understood... Just like when you understand your actual position, then
your activities actually begin. If you do not know what is your actual
position... Suppose in the office, if your post is not settled up what
duty you have to execute, then you cannot do anything very nicely. Here
is a typist, here is clerk, here is a peon, here is a this and that. So
they are executing their work very nicely. So one has to understand
what is the constitutional position of the living entity. So that is
explained in the first six chapters. Adyena sastena upasakasya
svarupa-prapti-sadhanam ca pradhanam nim proktam (?). Baladeva
Vidyabhusana, a very nice authorized commentator on the Bhagavad-gita,
he says that in the first six chapters the constitutional position of
the living entity has been very nicely explained. And how one can
understand his constitutional position, that is also explained. So the yoga
system means to understand his constitutional
indriya-samyamah. We are busy with sense activities. The
means business of sense activities. The whole world activity, when you
go stand on the street, you will see everybody's very busy. The
storekeeper is busy, the motor-driver is busy. Everyone is very busy --
so busy that so many accidents in business. Now, why they are busy? If
you minutely study what is their business, the business is sense
gratification. That's all. Everyone is busy how to gratify senses. This
is material. And yoga means to control the senses, to
spiritual position, my constitutional position. Just like a boy who is
accustomed to playing only, he cannot concentrate in his study, in
understanding his future life, or in elevating himself, a higher
position. Similarly, if we are engaged like child without knowing the
future of life, simply playing with the senses, that is called material
life. The difference between material life and spiritual life is that
if somebody is simply engaged in sense gratification business, that is
called material life. And out of many thousands of such materialistic
persons, if somebody is trying to understand, "What I am? Why I have
come here? Why I am put into so many miserable condition of life? Is
there any remedy...?" these questions, when arises, then, practically,
his spiritual life begins. And the human form of life is meant for
that. In animal life they do not know anything except sense
gratification. They have no power. Their consciousness is not
developed. Just like in the Green Lake park, there are so many ducks.
As soon as somebody goes there with some little food, oh, they go
gather: "quack! quack! quack! quack!" [laughter] That's all. And after
eating, they are enjoying sex life. That's all. So, similarly, like
cats and dogs and these animals, the human life is also like that if
there is no question "What I am?" If they are simply directed by the
sense urges, they are no better than these ducks and dogs.
So therefore, in the first six chapters it has been decided that a
living entity is a spiritual spark. It is very difficult to find out
where the spark is, because it is so small, minute. There is no
material microscope or machine to find out. But it is there. It is
there. The symptom is, because it is there in my body, because it is
there in your body, therefore you are moving, you are talking, you are
planning, so many things you are doing -- simply for that spiritual
spark. So we are very minute spark of the supreme spirit. Just like
there are in the sunshine minute particles, shining particles. With
shining, these shining particles, when they are mixed together, that is
sunshine. But they are molecules. They are separate, atomic molecules.
Similarly, in relationship with God and ourselves, we are also minute
particles of God, shining. Shining means we have got the same
propensities, thinking, feeling, willing, creating, everything.
Whatever you see in yourself, that is there in God.
So God cannot be
impersonal, because we are all persons. I have got so many propensities
-- that is very minute quantity. The same propensities are there in
Krishna, or God, but that is very great, unlimited. This is the study
Krishna consciousness. Simply greatness, my position is very small. And
we are so small, infinitesimal; still, we have got so many
propensities, so many desires, so many activities, so many brain work.
Just imagine how much greater brain work and desire and propensities
are there in God, because He's great. His greatness means all these
things, what you have got, that is existing in Him in greatness. That's
all. Qualitatively, we are one, but quantitatively, we are different.
He's great; we are small. He is infinite; we are infinitesimal.
Therefore the conclusion is, just like infinite particles of fire,
sparks, when they are with the fire, they look very nice with fire and
sparks. But when the sparks are out of the fire, main fire, they
extinguish. No more fire. Similarly, we are sparks of Krishna or God.
When we associate with God, then our, that illuminating power, fire, is
renovated. Otherwise, we are extinguished. Although you are sparks, our
present life, this material life, is covered. The spark is covered, or
extinguished almost. This is only example. It cannot be extinguished.
If it is extinguished, how we are manifesting our living condition? It
is not extinguished, but it is covered. Just like when fire is covered,
you'll feel heat on the covering, but you cannot see the fire directly.
Similarly, this spiritual spark is covered by his material dress;
therefore we cannot see.
The doctor says, "Oh, the bodily function has
failed; therefore heart has failed. He is dead." But why heart fails he
does not know. There is no medical science, calculated. They will say
so many reasons, that "Because the blood corpuscles, red corpuscles has
ceased to function, it has become white; therefore it is..." No. This
is not right answer. The blood can be made red... Or redness is not
life. There are many natural products which are red by nature. That
not mean there is life. So this argument, that red corpuscles have
ceased; therefore life has ceased -- no. There are so many arguments
Actually, this is the fact, because we are speaking on the strength of
scripture, saintly persons and spiritual master. That is the way of
understanding. You cannot manufacture with your teeny brain, imperfect
senses. Human beings… they're imperfect, always. Just for example, that
a child is seeing the sun, and a scientist is seeing the sun. By
nature, the child… their knowledge of the sun is imperfect. The same
child, when he takes instruction from a scientist, he can understand
the sun is so great. Therefore direct perception of knowledge by our
the senses is always imperfect. You have to approach authority—in
every sphere of life. Similarly, if you want to understand what is God,
then you have to take shelter of this Bhagavad-gita.
There is no
alternative. You cannot speculate that "God may be like this, God may
be like that," "There is no God," "God is dead," "God is not dead."
This is simply speculation. Here Krishna says,
If you believe that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is
speaking personally, as Arjuna believed, then you can understand what
is God. Otherwise it is not possible. Asamsayam.
So the process is, the first process is, mayy asakta-manah.
You have to
constantly engage your mind in Krishna. That is the yoga
is, which we are presenting as Krishna consciousness. Krishna
consciousness... Just like if you constantly join yourself with the
electric powerhouse, there is incessant supply of electric energy.
Similarly, if you constantly engage your mind in Krishna, that is also
not very difficult. Krishna is all-attractive. Krishna is beautiful.
has so many activities. The whole Vedic literature is full of Krishna's
activities. This Bhagavad-gita is full of Krishna's
activities. Simply by
understanding that God is great, that is neutral state of
understanding. But you have to elevate more and more, how great He is.
How great He is, it is not possible to understand, because our senses
are always imperfect. But as far as possible you can hear about the
activities of God, about the position of God, and you can think over
it, and you can make your judgment, you can put your argument. Then you
will understand without any doubt what is God. The first beginning is, mayy
asakta-manah. In the last chapter Krishna
has explained that one who
is constantly absorbed in the thought of Krishna, he is first-class yogi,
first-class yogi. In your country the yoga system is
very popular, but
you do not know who is a first-class yogi. The first-class yogi
explained in the Bhagavad-gita: yoginam api
mad-gatenantaratmana [Bhagavad-gita 6.47], that out
of many, many thousands of yogis, the yogi or bhakta-yogi
is always seeing within himself,
within his heart, the form of Krishna, he's first-class yogi,
So you have to continue that first-class yoga system, and that
explained here, mayy asakta-manah: being attached. Mind
is the vehicle
for being attached. If you are attached to somebody, some boy, some
girl, some person... Generally, we become attached to a person.
Impersonal attachment is bogus thing. If you want to be attached, that
attachment must be personal. Is it not a fact? Impersonal attachment...
You cannot love the sky, but you can love the sun, you can love the
moon, you can love the stars, because they are localized person. And if
you want to love the sky, it is very difficult for you. You have to
come again to this sun. So yoga system, culminating in
love... So you have to love somebody, person. That is Krishna. Just
here is a picture. Radharani is loving Krishna and offering His (Her)
flowers to Krishna, and Krishna is playing with His flute. So you can
of this picture nicely, always. Then you (will) become constantly in yoga,
samadhi. Why impersonal? Why you
something, something void? Void
cannot be. If you think something void, there will be something light,
something color, colorful, so many things we will find. But that is
also form. How you can avoid form? That is not possible. Therefore why
don't you concentrate your mind to the real form, ishvarah
krishnah sach-chid-ananda-vigrahah [Brahma-samhita.
5.1], the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, the controller, the supreme controller, who has got a body?
How? Vigrahah, vigrahah means body. And what sort of
body? Sach-chid-ananda, eternal body, full of bliss, full
of knowledge. That
body. Not like body like this. This body is full of ignorance, full of
miseries, and not eternal. Just opposite. His body is eternal; my body
is not eternal. His body is full of bliss; my body is full of miseries,
always something troubling me -- headache, toothache, this ache, that
ache. Somebody is, has given me personal trouble. So many... Adhyatmic,
adhibhautic, severe heat, severe cold, so many
things. This body is
always under threefold miseries, this material body.
So if you think of Krishna, that is the process, Krishna consciousness.
Then mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah,
if you practice
this yoga system, Krishna consciousness, how? Mad-asrayah.
means "taking shelter of somebody who is in touch with Me." Mad-asrayah.
directly in touch with Him. Directly you
are in touch with Him as soon as you think of Him, His form. But unless
you take shelter of a spiritual master who knows about Him, you cannot
concentrate for a long time. It may be temporary. Therefore you have to
hear from a person who knows about Krishna. Then your concentration of
mind on Krishna will continue. You have to act according to his
everything. Your life should be molded in such a way under the
direction of the spiritual master. Then you can continue this yoga
What is that yoga system? That yoga system explained
in the Bhagavad-gita, in the Sixth Chapter, last verse. Yoginam
sarvesam mad-gatenantaratmana: [Bhagavad-gita 6.47]
"One who is always thinking
of Me," mad-gata, "He is first-class yogi." In
many places it is
stated. Premanjana-cchurita. How you can think of Krishna
develop love for Krishna? Just like Radharani. Radharani, She has come.
She was married, and household life, but She has come to Krishna to
worship Him. Similarly, we have to place Krishna always in our mind,
think of Him.
Then this very process, mayy asakta-manah partha yogam
yunjan mad-asrayah, "Under the protection of Myself, of My
representative, when you understand samagram, perfectly well,
life is successful." Asamsayam: "without any doubt." Not that
your spiritual master says that "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of
Godhead." No. If you have got any doubt, just question, just try to
understand. It is a fact that He's the Supreme Personality of Godhead,
undoubtedly. But if you have got some doubt, you can clear it. Asamsayam.
In this way, if you practice this yoga
consciousness, the topmost of all the yoga systems, asamsayam
mam yatha jnasyasi [Bhagavad-gita 7.1], then you'll
understand Krishna, or the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, perfectly well, without any doubt, and
your life will be successful.
Thank you. Any question?
Jaya-gopala: What is the difference between bhava
Prabhupada: Prema is mature condition of bhava.
Just like a ripe mango
and green mango. Green mango is the cause of ripe mango. But to taste
ripe mango is better than unripe mango. Similarly, before attaining
love of Godhead, you have got different stages. Just like the same
mango, it passes through different stages, then one day it comes nice
yellow color, fully ripened, and taste is so nice. The same mango. The
mango does not change, but it comes to the mature stage. So this... As
this example, the mango is in the beginning a flower, then gradually a
little fruit. Then gradually it grows. Then it becomes very tight,
green, and then, gradually, it becomes little, little yellowish, and it
becomes fully ripe. This is the process of everything. In material
world also, there are six processes, and the last process is vanquish.
This mango example or any other material example, we can accept it so
far the growth is required, concerned, but material example is not
perfect. Just like mango, when it is ripe, somebody eats, that's all
right. Otherwise it will overripe, it will decompose, it will fall
down, and finish. That is material. But spiritual is not like that. It
is not finished. If you once come to the stage of mature stage of love,
then that perfectional stage continues eternally, and your life is
successful. Prema pum-artho mahan. There are many
different types of
perfection in this material world. Somebody is thinking, "This is
perfection of life." Materialists, they are thinking, "If I can enjoy
my senses very nicely, that is perfection of life." That is their point
of view. And when they are frustrated, they find out, or try to find
out, something better. So if he's not guided, something better means
the same—sex and intoxication. That's all. Simply becomes
irresponsible. That's all. Because there is no guide. He's finding out,
searching out something better, but because there is no guide, he comes
to the same sense or sex and intoxication—to forget. A businessman,
when he's failure, so much disturbance. He tries to forget him by
drinking. But this is artificial way. This is not actually the remedy.
How long you can forget? Sleep—how long you can sleep? Again wake
up, again you are in the same position. That is not the way. But if you
come to the stage of love of Godhead, then naturally you forget all
this nonsense. Naturally. Param dristva nivartate [Bhagavad-gita
9.59]. If you
find out something more palatable, more relishable, you give up
nonsense things which is not so nice to taste.
So Krishna consciousness is such a thing. It is leading you to a
where going you will forget all this nonsense. That is real life. Brahma-bhutah
18.54]. As soon as you come that state,
then your symptom will be that you are jolly. You are feeling
everywhere. There is a... There are many instances. So when you accept
this material world in relationship with Krishna, you'll taste that
of Godhead, even in this material world. Actually, material world means
completely in forgetfulness of God, or Krishna. That is material world.
Otherwise, if you are in full consciousness of Krishna, you'll find
spiritual world, even in this material world. Consciousness—it is
all consciousness. The same example. Just like the king and the bug is
sitting on the same throne, but the bug knows that "My business is
simply to get some blood." That's all. The king knows that "I have to
rule. I am the ruler of this country." So sitting on the same place,
but the consciousness is different. Similarly, if you change your
consciousness to Krishna consciousness, wherever you are, you are in
Vaikuntha. Wherever—it doesn't matter. Yes?
Guest: I would like you to explain the origin and
significance of what
you, what they call the Jagannatha car festival.
Prabhupada: Jagannatha festival significance is that
when Krishna left
Vrindavana... Krishna was raised by His foster father, Nanda Maharaja.
when He was grown up, 16 years old, He was taken away by His real
father, Vasudeva, and They left Vrindavana, Krishna and Balarama, two
brothers, and They were resident... Their kingdom was in Dvaraka. So
in Kurukshetra… Kurukshetra is always dharma-kshetra,
pilgrimage. There was some lunar, solar eclipse, and many persons from
of India, they came to take bath. Similarly, Krishna and Balarama and
Their sister Subhadra, They also came in royal fashion, with so many
soldiers, and so many... just like king. So these residents of
Vrindavana, they met Krishna, and especially the gopis, they
and they lamented that "Krishna, You are here, we are also here, but
place is different. We are not in Vrindavana." So there is a long story
how they lamented and how Krishna pacified them. This is a feeling of
separation, how the inhabitants of Vrindavana felt separation from
Krishna. So this... When Krishna came on chariot, that is called Ratha-yatra.
This is the history of Ratha-yatra. So
any pastimes made
by Krishna, that is observed in ceremonial form by the devotees. So
Guest: How may we recognize yogamaya?
Prabhupada: I do not know what is your question.
Tamala Krsna: He wants to know how we may recognize yogamaya,
Prabhupada: Yogamaya? Yogamaya means
that which connects you. Yoga
means connection. When you are being gradually advanced in Krishna
consciousness, that is the action of yogamaya. And when you are
gradually forgetting Krishna, that is the action of mahamaya. Maya
acting upon you. The one is dragging you, and one is pushing you
opposite way. Yogamaya. So, just like the example, that you are
under the laws of government. You cannot deny. If you say, "I don't
agree to abide by the laws of government," that is not possible. But
when you are a criminal, you are under the police laws, and when you
are gentleman, you are under the civil laws. The laws are there. In any
situation, you have to obey the laws of government. If you remain as a
civilized citizen, then you are always protected by the civil law. But
as soon as you are against the state, the criminal law will act upon
you. So the criminal activities of law is mahamaya, threefold
always. Always putting in some sort of misery. And the civil department
of Krishna, anandambudhi-vardhanam. You simply go on
increasing the, I
mean to say, depth of the ocean of joy. Anandambudhi-vardhanam.
the difference, yogamaya and mahamaya. Yogamaya
is... Yogamaya, the
original yogamaya, is Krishna's internal potency. That is
Radharani. And mahamaya is external potency, Durga. This Durga
explained in Brahma-samhita: srsti-sthiti-pralaya-sadhana-shaktir
eka chayeva yasya
bhuvanani bibharti durga [Brahma-samhita 5.44].
Durga is the superintending
goddess of this whole material world. Everything is going on under his,
under her control. Prakrti, prakrti is energy.
Energy is accepted as
feminine. Just like these materialistic persons, they are also working
under some energy. What is that energy? The sex life. That's all.
They're troubling so much: "Oh, at night I'll have sex life." That's
all. That is the energy. Yan maithunadi-grihamedhi-sukham hi
tuccham [Srimad Bhagavatam
7.9.45]. Their life is based on the sex. That's all. Everyone is
working so hard, culminating in sex. That's all. This is material life.
So energy. The material energy means sex. So that is energy. If a
person who is working in the factory, if you stop sex, he cannot work.
And when he's unable to enjoy sex life, then he takes intoxication.
This is material life. So energy must be there. Here in the material
world the energy is sex, and in the spiritual world the energy is love.
Here the love is misrepresented in sex. That is not love; that is lust.
Love is only possible with Krishna, nowhere else. Nowhere else love is
possible. That is misrepresentation of love. That is lust. So love and
lust. Love is yogamaya, and lust is mahamaya. That's
all. (long pause)
Is that all right?
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah.
Prabhupada: So, any other question?
Jahnava: Christ consciousness and Krishna
consciousness, the words are so
similar. Please combine the words, explain how the words came to us.
Prabhupada: That I've explained many times: a pocket
international dictionary. You cannot say that pocket dictionary is no
dictionary, but it is meant for a certain class of student. And
international dictionary is meant for a certain class of student. They
are all student. Was Christ... What was spoken by Christ, that is also
God consciousness, but that was meant for a certain class of men. And
what class of men they were? They're not even perfectly civilized.
Because Christ was explaining God consciousness, that was his fault,
and they crucified him. What class of men they were? Judge. His only
fault was that he was explaining God, and they crucified him. The
reward was crucifixion. So what kind of class of men they were? The
status of that society, just try to understand. Therefore what
spoke..., what was spoken by Lord Jesus Christ, for them, that was
sufficient. But when Bhagavad-gita is spoken to a person
that is different thing. So we have to speak according to the time,
according to the circumstances, according to the audience. Don't you
see that here only a few persons are attending? Why? They cannot
understand this Krishna science, Krishna consciousness. It is not meant
all classes of men. It is highest standard of God consciousness. Love.
Love of God. So there is also teachings of love of God, undoubtedly.
That is the difference. The same thing. Always try to understand. The
small pocket dictionary for students while in the primary stage, and
international dictionary for higher students, postgraduate students—the
both of them are dictionaries. But it is meant for somebody, it is
meant for somebody. And the test is phalena pariciyate. Phalena
pariciyate, you have to understand. Suppose you are traveling in
forest. So many trees are there. But you cannot understand what is this
tree, what is that. But as soon as you see the flower, "Oh, here is
apple. Oh, this is apple tree." Just like the other day you were
telling me, you never saw apple tree? Yes. Now, as soon as you saw the
apple, you understood, "This is apple tree. Oh!" The test of any
scripture is how one is developing love of God. Phalena
you find that following some religious principles you are developing
your love of God, then it is perfect. It doesn't matter whether it is
Bible or Koran or Bhagavad-gita. It doesn't matter. We
have to see what
is the fruit. If the fruit is that people are developing love of
Godhead, then it is perfect. Don't try to understand whether this is
good, this is good, this is bad, this is... No. Try to understand by
the result. Just like the same way: if you see the fruit, then it is
first class. So it doesn't matter whether it is Bible or Gita.
can develop love of Godhead by reading Bible, it is first class, and if
you can develop love of Godhead by Bhagavad-gita, it is
And if you do not, then either it is Bible or the Koran or Bhagavad-gita,
it has no effect for you. So it
is up to you. Not by
comparison, but by your own activities. If you actually follow the
instruction given by Lord Jesus Christ, you will also develop love of
Godhead. There is no doubt. Similarly, if you follow the instruction of
Krishna, you will also develop. So it is up to you. You try to follow.
you do not follow, simply try to make a comparative study "This is
good" or "This is bad," "This is bad" or "This is good," that is called
srama eva hi kevalam [Srimad Bhagavatam
1.2.8]—simply laboring. Why comparative
study? Just see how much you are developing love of Godhead, that's
all. Phalena pariciyate. "Whether it is apple is there,
right; never mind what is this tree. I'm concerned with the apple." Yes.
Upendra: Prabhupada, sometimes there may be
differences between what is
love of Godhead between Christian and Moslem, Moslem and Buddhist,
Buddhist, Hindu. They may quarrel at what is love of Godhead.
Prabhupada: They quarrel. They, those who are not in
love of Godhead,
they must quarrel. That is the... Because they are cats and dogs. You
cannot expect any peaceful condition between cats and dogs. They will
fight. So whatever they may be, so long they are fighting, that means
they are not on the perfectional stage. Where is the fighting? If you
love God, then you love everyone. That is the sign. Samah
bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [Bhagavad-gita
18.54]. After attaining the
stage of equality, then you can enter into the realm of loving God.
Before that, you have to pass. Just like before entering law college
you have to become graduate, similarly, before entering the realm of
devotional service you have to realize that all living entities are on
the same platform. That is realization. You cannot make any distinction
that "This is lower," "This is higher." No. Panditah
5.18]. When a person is fully learned, he does not make any distinction
that "He is human being, he is cow, he is dog." He sees that he is
spirit soul covered in different dress. That's all. That is his vision,
universal equality vision.
You cannot say that dog has no life, the cow
has no life. How can you say that there is no life? That is lack of
your knowledge. What is the symptom of life? You will find the symptom
of life is there in human being, in ant also. How you can say that
small creatures, lower animals have no life? That is lack of your
knowledge. Even trees, plants, they have got life. So perfect knowledge
required. So love of Godhead on the basis of perfect knowledge is real
love of God. Otherwise it is fanaticism. So the fanatics, they may
fight. That is not love of Godhead. (pause) Of course, it is very
difficult to come to that stage, but one should try. That is Krishna
consciousness. We are all student. We are trying. But there are degrees
also. Just like in a educational institution there is tenth class,
eighth class, fifth class, sixth class. And with the yoga, it
like a staircase or a lift. So there are different stages of
perfection. The highest perfection is who is always thinking of
That is yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantaratmana sraddhavan
[Bhagavad-gita 6.47]. The highest perfectional is Krishna,
thinking always Krishna,
and Radharani. That is the highest perfectional stage. She has no other
business: simply thinking of Krishna.
Visnujana: While we are chanting our rounds, or
while we are chanting
out loud in kirtana, is it all right to be engaging our mind in
Prabhupada: Is it not?
Visnujana: He is already [indistinct].
Prabhupada: This is practical way? [laughter] If you
are not minding,
the chanting will force you to mind upon Him. You see? Krishna sound
by force. Chanting is so nice. And this is the practical yoga
age. You cannot meditate. Your mind is so disturbed, you cannot
concentrate your mind. Therefore chant, and by the sound vibration, it
will forcibly enter it into your mind. Even if you don't want Krishna,
Krishna will enter within your mind. By force. [laughter] This is the
easiest process. You don't require to endeavor. Krishna is coming.
[laughter] [Prabhupada laughs] It is very nice process. This is
recommended therefore, for this age. And others also will be benefited.
You chant loudly. Others who are not accustomed, they will also. At
least... Just like on the street, in the park, they say "Hare Krishna!"
How they have learned? By hearing this chanting. That's all. Sometimes
the children, as soon as they see us, they say "Oh, Hare Krishna!" In
Montreal the children, when I was walking on the street, all the
children, the shopkeepers, the storekeepers, they will say "Hare
Krishna!" And that's all. So we have forced Hare Krishna within the
If you practice yoga, meditate, it may be beneficial for you,
is beneficial for many others. Suppose something very good, you are
enjoying yourself, some sweetballs -- that is one stage. But if you
distribute sweetballs, that is another stage. So by chanting on the
road, on the street, you are distributing sweetballs. [laughter] You
are not miser, that you are eating yourself. You are so liberal that
you are distributing to others. Now chant, distribute. [laughter]