From Umapati Swami
this story to a friend
From: "US" <email@example.com>
To: "hans jurgen kary"<firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:29:51 +0800
buddy Hansadutta Prabhu,
Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila
the kind letter. It's true I was annoyed by your letter. I did
not expect something like this from you, and I am happy that our
relationship is still the same. It's true that we have never had a
and I don't want to start one now.
I don't want
to go through this ritvik-guru thing again. I have given it a
lot of thought and a lot of discussion with people on both sides, and I
convinced that what I am doing now is the best thing. I have tried to
from your mistakes and from the mistakes of the others.
I am also
guided by an incident in Los Angeles in the '70s. Sudama had
recently arrived there after taking sannyasa. We were talking
and he told me that it was unbearable for him to see people offering
obeisances. While we were talking, Visala Prabhu came up to us. "Oh,
Maharaja," he said, "may I touch your holy danda?"
at me. "I can't stand it," he said.
Prabhupada was in Los Angeles at that time, and a few days later
Sudama came up to me outside. "I went to see Srila Prabhupada," he
and I told him that I couldn't stand it that people were bowing to me,
he told me, 'They're not bowing to *you*.'"
I always keep
this in mind. When my disciples tell me how great I am, I say,
"I am a fallen soul like you. The difference is that I read Srila
Prabhupada's books and you don't." I remind them that the only reason
are coming to see me is that I am repeating what is in Srila
books. Would they come if I were teaching anything else?
ask me for blessings, I tell them that Srila Prabhupada's books
are my blessings and that they should read more. When people ask me for
special instructions, I tell them to study Srila Prabhupada's books. I
them that the guru must first of all be a good disciple and
that they should
read Srila Prabhupada's books to see whether or not I am truly
I know I am
in a dangerous situation. It would be so easy to start thinking,
"Yeah, baby, I really got it together." I constantly remind myself that
not the savior but the servant of the savior. I know well that as soon
forget this I will be in big trouble. I have certainly seen it enough.
And I have
also seen enough to know that today's weeping disciple could be
my strongest critic tomorrow.
said that my attitude is rare, but it is not rare among the
people that I associate with. And I don't associate with any other kind
person. I don't go along with the current fashion of thinking that
Prabhupada may know all about the spiritual world but he really doesn't
understand women or mundane social issues. In all circumstances, I try
about doing and not doing is that if people want to say that I am
doing things wrong, then let them open centers and show me how to do it
right, but so far, I have not seen any example among the ritviks
critics that I would want to follow. I cannot stand it when people just
and pick at whatever little faults they can find in others.
As far as the
GBC goes, I appreciate the encouragement and moral support
that they give me. I couldn't ask for anyone nicer than my own GBC, and
Tamal Krishna Maharaja was as good to me as I could have ever asked for.
It was great
seeing you in Mayapur. I am happy to have found you again, and
I would like to continue the association, but please, no ritvik-guru
I notice that
you did not put any other receivers on this e-mail, but feel
free to share it. I look forward to hearing from you.
From: hans jurgen kary [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:31 AM
Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I can see that my letter made you very angry, please forgive me, this
was not my intention.. I was really happy to see you in Mayapur, and
I cannot remember ever having any real serious conflict with you. You
have always been warm and friendly towards me and others. I was not
ranting and raving in Mayapur, you must have seen someone else, but
not me. I was very happy to see you, otherwise I would not say so.
I think you
misunderstood my quoting Lord Buddhha "DO NOTHING". I did not mean to
suggest that as Prabhupada's disciples we should
"DO NOTHING" and sit on the sidelines griping. Rather my point was
that doing something we are not authorised to do results in
disasters, and under the circumstances it would be wise to clarify
what exactly we are authorised to in terms of the GURU-RITTVIK
I am also
not comparing GURUs to Tyrants, but illustrating my
point that simply because someone is doing something, therefore
it makes the question of one's authority to do what he is doing
I don't know
who related my narration of Srila Prabhupada's asking
for your company to Santa Fe while we were in Montreal, but I
certainly did not narrate the story as a criticism of you; rather in
telling this story I was pointing out how utterly unaware we were of
the fact that Prabhupada, by material standards alone, was an old
man, but we (me, you and whoever else there was in the movement at
the time) did not have the sense to arrange a traveling companion,
or travelling assistant. I have related the story on a number of
occasions, but never to criticise you, or rave and rant against you,
but really to remember our associations with His Divine Grace Srila
Prabhupada, and how inspite of our incompetence or unconsciousness he
ever so graceful.
No, I don't
expect you to take spiritual advice from me (I'm not
sitting on the side lines), but I do expect you to think carefully
and deeply on the facts as they stand in connection with the issue of
Prabhupada's arrangement for his disciples to continue initiation
after his departure. After all Srila Prabhupada did write the
July 9th letter--he supported it in subsequest letters--and the fact
that this directive (clear Prescription) has been ignored has not
produced very satisfactory results. There is no harm in learning from
one's or other one's mistakes. I have certainly made enormous
mistakes. The same mistakes I made have been made by others who are
more qualified and talented than I could ever be. Something is
definately wrong, and having been on both sides of the fence, am
trying to illuminate the issue as I see and understand it.
I really do not want to quarrel with you, I was actually moved at
your friendly attitude towards me when we briefly met in Mayapur. So
please forgive me if I have offended you with my letter, or in any
other way. You are preaching on the frontier of a communist country,
and I know that takes a lot of faith, determination and austerity.
I was in China in 1995 and saw first-hand what China is like. I
offer you all my respects and best wishes for success, and again ask
you not to be angry or offended by me.