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14 June 2005
[Hansadutta wrote:] Dear Prabhus, Please accept my most humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I read with interest and irritation the ongoing arguments between the devotees of Srila Prabhupada over the validity of Srila Prabhupada's last written instructions on how and who will initiate disciple in the future. Umapati's main point is made in concluding that "WE ARE DOING SOMETHING, AND THEY ARE DOING NOTHING." This is the proof of their position’s validity, never mind what Prabhupada said about rittvik representatives of the Acharya. This argument is most foolish and unacceptable, because in history we find many passionately active personalities, who, giving the same argument, did what appeared at the time to be very great things. Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin, Mao Tze Tung, President Bush). In the end, the great doings of these men proved to be great disasters. The Buddha said, “DO NOTHING BECAUSE TIME IS TOO VALUBLE TO WASTE.” A monkey is very busy doing things day and night, but it is all useless mischief. If we do something that we are not authorised to do, the result will be mischief = mis-achievement.
There is no prescription by Srila Prabhupada that authorised any one of his disciples to initiate disciples after his departure, but there is a prescription (the July 9th letter) and subsequent letters of support to myself and Kirtanananda Swami for his disciples to initiate disciples as RITTVIK REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ACHARYA. I know that Srila Prabhupada's books are full of statements indicating he wanted all his disciples to be gurus, but it is the personal prescription of the doctor to the patient that is to be taken. The patient cannot argue that he has read in the medical book something to the contrary to the doctor’s prescription. The last order of the commander is to be obeyed. The soldier cannot argue on the basis of what he might have read in the military training manuals. But this is prescisely what ISKCON Gurus and GBCs are doing. You are jumping over Srila Prabhupada, disregarding his order, his personal prescription for his leading disciples. We can see the result, and in the future we will see more.
The track record of those who have gone forward to initiate in disregard of the authority prescribed by Srila Prabhupada for future initiations (as RITTVIK REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ACHARYA) is in itself the proof that they were not qualified gurus (myself, Jayatirtha, Bhagavan, Kirtanananda, Harikesh, Vipramukhya and others).
Why this dog obstinacy against Srila Prabhupada's order to act as rittvik representative of the Acharya? Do you not want to act as Srila Prabhupada's representative? Every time you offer a book, or an advice or give a lecture, or cook a chapati, etc. are you not, by necessity, acting as the representative of Srila Prabhupada? Is there anything that you have to offer the public that you have not received from Srila Prabhupada? Name one thing of value that is intrinsically yours that you have to offer. One thing. Anything. Then why do you insist on denying Srila Prabhupada the credit he is due by humbly following his order to ACT AS RITTVIK REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACHARYA--a designation which makes it clear who and what you are, and who and what Srila Prabhupada is in relationship with you and the public at large. He is the SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA, and you are his representative, RITTVIK REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACHARYA. What is the problem here??
He, Srila Prabhupada, is the Master and we are forever the servant of the Master. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada summed it up very nicely by saying, "There is an eternally impassable line of demarcation between the SAVIOR and the SAVED. Only those who are truly saved know this." The SAVIOR, Srila Prabhupada, is the one who descends (SHAKTI-AVATARA), comes down to save us. We are the saved, provided we are willing to submit and be taken up by the SAVIOR. However, if we impudently insist that we are also SAVIORS now, then what need is there of Srila Prabhupada taking us back to Godhead? You can go on your own power. Think about it: you are either the SAVIOR, or you are the SAVED.
I hope this meets you all well.
wrote:] Dear Nara-Narayana,
Great to hear from you. It is true that I short-changed Madhudvisa Prabhu. I did not know whether he really wanted to hear from me, and I did not want to get into any more stonewall debates like the ones that happened when I had the discussion with Mother Niscala. If Madhudvisa wants to continue the discussion, I'll be more than happy to comply.
I am smack up against some writing deadlines right now, so it will take me a few days to get to all of your points. But here are a few quick points of my own. The ritviks complain that the ISKCON leaders do not put Srila Prabhupada in the center. But Srila Prabhupada is not in the center of their preaching either. Their preaching centers around "smash the GBC," a ridiculous preaching platform.
My advice to all those who are dissatisfied is this: Talk is cheap. Go out and show us how to do it. Put your money where your mouth is. Open up some centers and let us see your stuff. All this theorizing is useless. Nothing succeeds like success. Do you know more than the GBC about preaching? Do you know more than Jayadvaita Swami? Fine. Let's see some action. Otherwise it's just a lot of hot air.
And I am not telling anyone to something that I myself am not doing. And personally, I am not much interested in debating with people who just sit around and gripe. They come up endlessly with new theories that have never been tried.
And if Jayadvaita Swami admitted being defeated by a young girl, then that shows he is a gentleman, not an authoritarian. More later.
It gives me great pleasure to make contact with you, as you were a very key influence to me in the early days of the movement. Now it may seem silly that I would hold you in such regard due to your senior status of having joined the movement two years before I did, but as you and I no doubt remember, those two years were equal to at least thirty current years or more than that.
I have read Madhudvisa Prabhu's posting to you, and your response to him as well. Your answer was basically nice, but considering the depth of the issues brought up by him, I seemed to me that you short changed him with your answers. You may be two years senior to me, but you are decades senior to Madhudvisa Prabhu, and to give him short shrift from your role of senior direct disciple of Srila Prabhupada, does not appear quite seemly.
As you undoubtedly remember, in the early days such stalwarts as yourself, Brahmananda, Tamal, Satsvarupa and many men who are still active in the core of our Iskcon Movement would attract dozens of new disciples to Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet by declaiming that "Unlike other gurus and yogis, OUR spiritual master is a PURE DEVOTEE OF THE LORD! He can see past present and future, He is known as Prabhupada, or the Person at whose Lotus Feet even Great Masters can take shelter." On that basis, thousands of eager able youth joined our movement and the rest is history until 1977 when a group of proven scoundrels were given the title "Guru" by an unelected non representational "GBC" who claimed in a most unauthorized fashion to have "ecclesiastical powers" that were absolute, such as those of the Catholic Pope and Cardinals. This may not be surprising, as the vast majority of the eleven "new" gurus were from strict Catholic backgrounds, and by that time the movement had changed from "80% Jewish in 1967 and 1968 to 90% Catholic by 1977. I remember your preaching well, and you never neglected to point out that a Bona Fide Guru MUST be a Pure Devotee of the Lord or all chaos will reign.
Now as you and I stand inundated in the midst of Chaos… What happened to your preaching on that point?
I have inserted more responses into your text below:
Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu,
Thanks for the reply. From what you say, I assume you are a ritvik, so it is not likely that we will come to a complete agreement, but I will try to address the major points.
[Nara-naryana comments:] RITVIK REFERS TO AN OFFICIATING PRIEST WHO ACTS AS THE "MONITOR" GURU MENTIONED IN Easy Journey To Other Planets BY SRILA PRABHUPADA. HE MAY ALSO INITIATE ON BEHALF OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, AND IN FACT THE MAJORITY OF INITIATIONS PERFORMED BETWEEN 1971 AND 1977 WERE INDEED RITVIK INITIATIONS.
TO MY BEST UNDERSTANDING, MADHUDVISA PRABHU HAS NOT PERFORMED ANY SUCH DUTIES AND THEREFORE MAY NOT BE IN ACCORD WITH THE ACTUAL MEANING OF RITVIK.
[Umapati wrote:] ISKCON was established by Srila Prabhupada, as was the GBC. Now I do not always agree with the GBC. I am not pleased that they did absolutely nothing about that horrible article by Ananda that was published on Chakra. But I give them my support, because that was what Srila Prabhupada wanted, and in general I think they are doing a great job.
[Nara-narayana comments:] I AM CURIOUS TO LEARN THAT ALTHOUGH SRILA PRABHUPADA GAVE CLEAR GUIDELINES AS TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE GBC BE ELECTED ON A THREE-YEAR BASIS FROM CANDIDATES PROPOSED BY THE TEMPLE PRESIDENTS IN HIS "DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT" OF 1970, AND AFTER THAT DOCUMENT WAS REJECTED OUT OF HAND BY THE SITTING "GBC" THAT IN 1974 HE REITERATED HIS DEMAND THAT THE GBC BE ONLY SEATED THROUGH ELECTIONS (OR BY HIS DIRECT APPOINTMENT) AS A MATTER OF "TOPMOST URGENCY". IT IS TO OUR EVERLASTING SHAME THAT THIS DEMAND COUCHED AS A MATTER OF "TOPMOST URGENCY" WAS ALSO REJECTED OUT OF HAND BY THE "GBC" OF THAT TIME. IN THAT 1974 DEMAND, SRILA PRABHUPADA STATED THAT ALL ISKCON CHARTERS, CONSTITUTIONS, FOUNDING PAPERS ETC BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT.
SINCE THIS ORDER WAS DELIBERATELY DISOBEYED BY THOSE WHO WOULD HAVE LOST EVERYTHING IF IT HAD BEEN OBEYED, IT IS HARD TO DIGNIFY THOSE WHO DISOBEYED IT WITH THE TITLE OF "GBC" WHICH RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY OBEDIENT TO THE ORDER OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER.
SINCE ISKCON IS FOUNDED ON LOVE AND TRUST, WHEN SRILA PRABHUPADA WRITES IN THE "DOM" OF 1972, "THEREFORE I HAVE DECIDED TO ADOPT THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES, AND I HOPE THAT MY BELOVED DISCIPLES WILL KINDLY ACCEPT THEM" ONE CAN WONDER IF BY NOT ACCEPTING THEM THE DISCIPLE CAN THEN STILL BE REFERRED TO AS "BELOVED".
[Umapati wrote:] I do not publish any articles saying or implying that Srila Prabhupada was wrong about social issues, women, or anything else, and I stated as much when I was the editor of Chakra. In fact, this was the disagreement between Madhusudani and me.
[Nara-narayana comments:]YOU ARE TO BE CONGRATULATED....AND I HOPE THAT YOUR STAUNCH STANCE CARRIES OVER TO THE OUT AND OUT BLASPHEMY AND HERESY BEING CURRENTLY GENERATED BY HH HRIDAYANANDA GOSWAMI CONCERNING MASTURBATION NOT BEING A FALLDOWN FOR A GURU, THE DHOTTI BEING A "RIDICULOUS DIAPER FOR ADULTS" AND "MONOGAMOUS HOMOSEXUALITY" BEING EQUAL TO HOUSEHOLDER LIFE IN ISKCON. (DANAVIR GOSWAMI HAS WRITTEN ELOQUENTLY ON THESE SUBJECTS.)
[Umapati wrote:] I have heard that there is at least one person who subscribes to this idea on the GBC and that this was the reason nothing was said about the article, but I cannot confirm it.
I teach my disciples that Srila Prabhupada is absolutely right about everything, and I will not initiate anyone who does not accept this. Of course people cheat, but I do my best. I tell people that before they ask for initiation, they should study the books of Srila Prabhupada and see whether I am truly following. The books are the standard.
[Nara-narayana comments:] A RARE STANCE.
[Umapati wrote:] It was Srila Prabhupada who told his disciples to initiate, and the ritviks have never come up with any statement to the contrary, so they try to modify the words of Srila Prabhupada by saying things like "he" really means "I" and so on.
[Nara-narayana comments:] SRILA PRABHUPADA CLEARLY STATES THAT WHOEVER INITIATES MUST BE A UTTAMA ADHIKARI, WHICH IF SEARCHED ON THE VEDA BASE IS A HUGELY DISCUSSED STATUS OF PURE DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. CERTAINLY, ANY DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA WHO HAS REACHED THE PERFECTIONAL STAGE AND IS IN HIS RASA WITH KRISHNA CAN INITIATE ON KRISHNA'S DIRECT ORDER, ALTHOUGH SRILA PRABHUPADA WAITED TO INITIATE UNTIL HE WAS ORDERED TO DO SO IN A DREAM HE HAD OF HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER APPEARING BEFORE HIM TO INSTRUCT HIM TO DO SO.
IN THE "VARAHA ASTIKA" SRILA PRABHUPADA CLEARLY STATES THAT NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE GAUDIYA MATHA WAS QUALIFIED TO INITIATE DISCIPLES, AND IN THE "PHALGUN KRISHNA PANCHAMI" HE CLEARLY STATES THAT "IF EVERYONE SIMPLY GOES ON INITIATING, THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE DESTROYED". WE MUST SEEK LONG AND DEEP NOT TO BECOME INUNDATED WITH THE "BOILERPLATE" PLATITUDES AND CLICHES OF A SOCIO/RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCH AS ISKCON HAS SADLY GRADUALLY BECOME. THE INFUSION OF FRESH SPIRITUAL POWER WILL HAVE TO COME FROM THE AUTHENTIC ACCEPTANCE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S LOTUS FEET COME ONE COME ALL AND COME WHAT MAY. IF THE GURU IS NOT CENT PER CENT TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIUM (AS YOU USED TO PREACH) THEN HE HAD BEST STAND TO ONE SIDE AND NOT BLOCK THE LIGHT STREAMING DOWN FROM THE PURE AND UNBREAKABLE SAMPRADAYA.
[Umapati wrote:] Thus they are guilty of the very same distortion of Srila Prabhupada's words that they accuse others of. I talked about this in an article called "Disciple of My Disciple." I can send it to you if you like.
I have not read Satyaraja's book so I cannot comment on it, but I have heard other critiques of his writing similar to what you say.
[Nara-narayana comments:] OUR MOVEMENT HAS BECOME WEAKENED FROM WITHIN WITH KNOWN SAHAJIYAS WORKING INTIMATELY WITH THE "SO CALLED" STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA. I SAW A BBT MEETING WITH TRIPURARI SWAMI LOUNGING LANGUIDLY IN ITS MIDST!...NOT ONLY THEY HAVE NO SHAME, THEY OBVIOUSLY LACK COMMON SENSE AND BASIC INTELLIGENCE AS WELL! HOW CAN THAT RASCAL WHO ADVERTISES HIS TENTH CANTO AS "MORE SEXY THAN THE KAMA SUTRA" BE ALLOWED ANY WHERE EXCEPT TO BE BEATEN BY SHOES?
[Umapati wrote:] Srila Prabhupada was pleased with Hayagriva, but he was also pleased with Jayadvaita Swami.
[Nara-narayana comments:] HAVE YOU PROOF OF HIS BEING PLEASED WITH JAYADWAITA SWAMI?
[Umapati wrote:] According to Jayadvaita Swami, Srila Prabhupada told him that he could make changes if the changes brought the books closer to what Srila Prabhupada actually said.
[Nara-narayana comments:] IS THE ABOVE YOUR PROOF?.......IT MAY NOT BE POLITE TO BE SUSPICIOUS, BUT ACCEPTING ANYONE MERELY ON THEIR WORD IS TO DENY THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CONDITIONED SOUL IS SUBJECT TO THE FOUR DEFECTS THAT YOU USED TO DESCRIBE SO ELOQUENTLY IN YOUR EARLY LECTURES.
AS YOU CAN WELL REMEMBER, SRILA PRABHUPADA LECTURED ON AND ON AS TO HOW SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASWATI'S DISCIPLES HAD CHANGED HIS BOOKS, AND THAT OUR BOOKS SHOULD NEVER BE CHANGED. SRILA PRABHUPADA WARNED ME NOT TO READ ANY GAUDIYA MATHA BOOKS AFTER A CERTAIN DATE, AS THEY HAD BEEN CHANGED. THERE ARE MANY KEY STATEMENTS BY SRILA PRABHUPADA THAT ANY CHANGES MUST BE RESTORED IN THE NEXT PRINTING, AND I PERSONALLY HEARD HIM STATE IN CLASS (WHEN A CHANGE WAS ENCOUNTERED) THAT IT MUST BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION IMMEDIATELY.
YOU ALSO USED TO ARGUE AGAINST READING THE GAUDIYA MATHA BOOKS AS THEY HAD BEEN CHANGED. ANY ADVANCED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA WOULD PREACH AGAINST BOOK CHANGES IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE MOVEMENT.
[Umapati wrote:] I have confidence in Jayadvaita Swami's integrity, but I don't have much confidence in the ritviks.
[Nara-narayana comments:] MY DAUGHTER FORCED JAYADWAITA SWAMI TO RETRACT A STATEMENT THAT HE MADE IN NEW DWARKA THAT NO ONE SHOULD LISTEN TO SRILA PRABHUPADA CHANTING JAPA DURING JAPA PERIOD, AS IT WILL DISTRACT FROM HIS OWN JAPA. IS THAT THE SORT OF INTEGRITY FOR WHICH YOU HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT?
PERSONALLY, I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MY DAUGHTER'S INTEGRITY (AND THE FACT THAT NOW IN THE TEMPLE SRILA PRABHUPADA CAN BE ONCE AGAIN HEARD DURING JAPA PERIOD) THAN FOR THE INTEGRITY OF JAYADWAITA WHOSE POSITION WAS SO UNTENABLE THAT A YOUNG WOMAN FORCED HIM TO RETRACT HIS OWN "INFALLIBLE" WORDS IN WRITING! (I PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS EXCHANGE).
[Umapati wrote:] As far as Srila Prabhupada's disciples writing commentaries on the Gita, why not, as long as they follow Srila Prabhupada? Srila Prabhupada did not want everything to end with his departure but wanted his disciples to continue on.
[Nara-narayana comments:] HAVING READ MADHUDVISA'S POSTING, I CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM SHORT SHRIFT ON THE POINT THAT HE RAISED. SRILA PRABHUPADA HAS CLEARLY STATED THAT IT IS THE WORST IMAGINABLE ETIQUETTE TO WRITE A COMMENTARY ON A SHASTRA THAT HAS BEEN COMMENTED UPON BY A GREAT ACHARYA IN RECENT YEARS. EVEN WITH COMMON SENSE ONE CANNOT JUSTIFY RE-WRITING THE PURPORTS OF THE GITA OR OTHER SHASTRA TO SUIT ONE'S LESS THAN UTTAMA WHIM.
OF COURSE, ONE CAN CREATE AS MANY DISSERTATIONS BASED ON REALIZATION THAT ONE MIGHT LIKE AS EXPLORATION OF THE PURPORTS PROVIDED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA. BUT THESE COMMENTS MUST CLEARLY BE ONE'S OWN, AND NOT BE CLASSED AS SHASTRA BUT PERHAPS AS STUDY GUIDES FROM ONE PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE. SRILA PRABHUPADA CLEARLY ENCOURAGED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES TO WRITE FROM REALIZATION, AND IN LA, 1969, A PROGRAM EXISTED FOR EACH BRAHMACHARI TO NOT ONLY WRITE AN ESSAY, BUT TO DELIVER HIS PAPER TO THE ASSEMBLED DEVOTEES.
[Umapati wrote:] I rejected Gadadhara's article because I do not consider it proper to compare the previous acharyas to see who was the highest. That was not Gadadhara's intention, but that was the way it came across. But I did publish an article by Gadadhara announcing the Srila Prabhupada festival and praising Srila Prabhupada: http://www.dipika.org/2005/05/31/24_sr_prabhupad_fest_in_la/index.html
I am aware of the dangers of Mayavadi contamination, and I am always on the lookout for it.
I think this has covered your main points. I do not want to debate this endlessly. You may agree or not, as you like. Srila Prabhupada said that you can judge a thing by the results.
[Nara-narayana comments:] SO FAR, WHEN SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS AT THE CENTER OF ISKCON, ISKCON WAS FAMED FOR ITS YOUNG "BRIGHT FACED" DEVOTEES JOINING IN GROWING NUMBERS AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY OPENING TEMPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THE RESULT OF THIRTY YEARS OF DECLINE, IS THAT (EXCEPT FOR MY CHILDREN AND A FEW OTHERS) NOT EVEN THE SECOND GENERATION (WHAT TO SPEAK OF OUTSIDE YOUTH) HAS LENT THEIR YOUTHFUL ENERGY TO THE LEADERSHIP AND EXPANSION OF ISKCON. THE MOVEMENT IS STILL RUN BY THE MEN WHO RAN IT IN THEIR MID TWENTIES. RUN BY A TEAM OF AGING "FIDEL CASTROS"! OR IN YIDDISH, "ALTE COCKERS"!
ATTRITION AND DECLINE IS THE RESULT THAT IS MOST CONSPICUOUS TO SEE. HERE IN NEW DWARKA. THE TEMPLE MEMBERS LOBBY THAT GUESTS NOT ENCROACH UPON THEIR PRIVACY, AND ANY EXPANSION OF THE TEMPLE OF INCREASE OF GUESTS IS CONSIDERED BY THE MEMBERS TO BE A VIOLATION OF THEIR PERSONAL PRIVACY. THEY HAVE NO MIND FOR PREACHING, LEAVING THAT TO A FEW PAID PROFESSIONALS ON THE TEMPLE STAFF, WHOSE PREACHING LARGELY CONSISTS OF COLLECTING DONATIONS FROM INDIANS.
[Umapati wrote:] I do not see the ritviks accomplishing much of anything.
[Nara-narayana comments:] BEFORE THE RITVIK WRITINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, (SUCH AS "THE FINAL ORDER") NONE OF THE ISKCON OLIGARCHY WASTED MUCH TIME ON READING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS OR CHECKING THE VEDA BASE. USUALLY, RAVINDRA SWARUP OF SOME SUCH "OFF THE SHELF INTELLECTUAL" WOULD BE COMMISSIONED TO WRITE A POSITION PAPER, AND TO THE EMBARASSMENT OF THOSE WHO COMMISSIONED SUCH PAPERS, THEY WERE GENERALLY VERY BADLY RESEARCHED AND EASILY OVERTURNED.
NOW, PRACTICALLY EVERYONE HAS A COMMAND OF THE VEDA BASE, AND THE ONGOING HEALTHY DIALOGUE WITH THE RITVIK AND OTHER "GADFLY" STIMULANTS IS PROBABLY THE BEST IMAGINABLE TONIC FOR THE GOUT-RIDDEN NESCIENT LEADERSHIP OF ISKCON TO ENCOUNTER....AT LEAST, THE LEADERSHIP OF ISKCON NOW TAKES SOME TIME TO READ SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS WITH A VIEW TO UNDERSTANDING THEM RATHER THAN PROVING POINTS AT ONE ANOTHER.
YET, THIS TORPOR EVIDENT IN PRACTIALLY ALL OF THE TEMPLES CAN BE CLEARLY TRACED TO THE CONGESTED MENTALITY CAUSED BY NON-ELECTED GBC. ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT, GBC MEANS "ELECTED", AND THERE CAN BE NO GRASS ROOTS GROWTH OF ANY SIGNIFICANT KIND WITHOUT VOTING RIGHTS EXERCISED BY THE LACTATING MOTHERS AND THEIR CARING HUSBANDS, AND THEN THE TEMPLE PRESIDENTS ELECTING THE GBC FROM A SLATE OF TP CANDIDATES.
THE MOVEMENT IS MORIBUND....STAGNANT, AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY.
Your most humble servant,
[Nara-narayana comments:] BELOW, PLEASE FIND A COPY OF THE 1970 DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS THE 1974 COMMAND BY SRILA PRABHUPADA TO AMMEND THE ISKCON CHARTERS TO INCLUDE THE DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT
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