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[Posted July 9, 2006]
Tripurari Swamiby Udayananda dasa ACBSP
whom it may concern,
"This is guru. You haven't got to learn very much. You simply repeat like parrot what Krishna has said everything in the Bhagavad-gita. You learn Bhagavad-gita, and you repeat that. You become guru. This is guru. So sometimes people give me very much credit that I have done wonderful throughout the whole world. But I do not know that I am wonderful man. But I know one thing, that I am speaking what Krishna has spoken. That's all. I am NOT making any ADDITION, ALTERATION."—Srila Prabhupada's lecture, San Francisco 7/15/75.
Then in another place Srila Prabhupada said,
"Don't make ADDITION, ALTERATION. Then you become guru. Very simple thing. If I say that 'My father said, This is a bell,' I am correct because I have learned it from my father, authority. I may be fool, rascal. It doesn't matter. But because I have learned it from the authority and presenting it that "This is a bell," this is perfect. Similarly, I cannot become guru because I am imperfect. My senses are imperfect. I cannot see even what is beyond this wall, although I am very proud of my eyes. I want to see. What can you see? Imperfect, all senses. But if some authority says that 'Beyond this wall this is the..., like this,' it is all right. So we have to follow this path, that you become guru, deliver your neighborhood men, associates, but speak the authoritative words of Krishna. Then it will act. So our, this Krishna Consciousness movement is like that. WE DO NOT MANUFACTURE IDEAS. That has spoiled the whole world."—Darshan, Hrishikesh, India 5/11/77.
I have a tape conversation between Tripurari Swami and Krishna Balarama Swami in which the following statement is made by Tripurari Swami:
"Prabhupada said things according to time and circumstance, Sridhara Maharaja saying this way according to time and circumstance and I, another way according to time and circumstance. I can draw from Prabhupada how he applied in certain circumstances and I can see how Sridhara Maharaja did and I can come up with a synthesis, a third idea, based on scripture of what they had done. You become like a grown-up. It is one thing you follow the father as a child, it is very cute and everyone likes it. You put on the father's coat, even though it's too big. Then you put on his shoes, 'Isn't it cute, he wants to follow his Dad.' But if it goes on his whole life, you're nuts! The father hopes you are going to grow up and add to the business. Maybe bring in and add a new product, you know. Hmmm, further the market whatever that is. So that is what I am here. I write books, this is mostly what I do."—Tripurari Swami, discussion with Krishna Balarama Swami 1995.
Tripurari Swami may say he takes a little from Srila Prabhupada, and a little from Sridhara Swami and then adds a little himself to give us what he refers to as "adding a new product". What does Srila Prabhupada say in response to this thinking?
"From now on unless I order you do something change or in addition, go on with the usual standard way. You manufacture ideas and then I have to waste my time. I have given you everything already, there is no need for you to add anything or change anything. The greatest danger to our movement will come when we manufacture and create our own process."—Letter from Srila Prabhupada to Dhruvananda, Bombay 1/4/73.
Later in Philadelphia Srila Prabhupada elaborated on this point.
Devotee: [reads:]"My only wish is that my mind be purified by the words coming from the mouth of my spiritual master. I have no other desire but this."
As far as taking the position of Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada spoke very emphatically how we should embrace that position.
"So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged...I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from ME, whatever you are learning from ME, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master."—Sri Vyasa Puja, Hamburg, 9/5/69.
In the same conversation Tripurari Swami states,
"People say, "He's [Tripurari] not distributing any books. Why isn't he out there? Things are different. I'm 46 years old now. I can write my own books now."—Tripurari Swami and Krishna Balarama Swami conversation, 1995.
This of course is a great and sad tragedy. The very thing that made Tripurari Swami appreciated and respected by all the devotees, that very service that gave Srila Prabhupada so much transcendental pleasure, he has whimsically renounced for his own concocted program. Srila Prabhupada wrote,
"My dear Rameswara, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge your letter of May 29th, and I have examined the contents. You have written to recommend Tripurari for sannyasi. Tripurari is however already a brahmachari so in essence there is no difference between brahmachari. I have asked Tripurari to dedicate his LIFE to distributing MY BOOKS and he has turned out the most expert of all our sellers."—Letter to Ramesvara, 6/5/74.
This was a very specific instruction given by His Divine Grace that he is giving up. What a great loss for Tripurari Swami to be given such mercy from the Jagat Guru, a specific instruction of how he should dedicate his entire life. Instead he has invented a different program to dedicate his life. Srila Prabhupada said,
"So bhaktya anuvrtya. Anuvrtya means following. Not that I have become more than my guru, I can invent something. No. Bhakti means, sadhu-marganugamanam. You have to follow the sadhu, the acharya. That is bhakti. Bhakti does not mean that I am so learned I can manufacture something. That is rascal. Not that at a point you become suddenly very learned scholar, and you do not remain a servant, but you want to become a master, to dictate the guru. That is rascal. That will not help us."—SB 5-5-14 Vrndavana 11/2/76.
Further Srila Prabhupada states,
"To honor the spiritual master means to carry out his instructions WORD FOR WORD."—SB purport 3-24-12.
So Tripurari Maharaja gave up the distribution of the transcendental devotional ecstasies of Srila Prabhupada for what? As he put it, he can write his own books. So I went to Barnes and Noble and picked up a copy of one of his books. It was called Aesthetic Vedanta. I was shocked. I will give you a couple of excerpts from the book, but I will forewarn you that as followers of Srila Prabhupada the descriptions of the madhurya-lila of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in this fashion is disgusting. But without further ado I will let the writing speak for itself. On the inside cover jacket Tripurari Swami writes,
"Aesthetic Vedanta illuminates the classic Sanskrit poem, rasa-lila, the sacred love affair of the Hindu deities Radha and Krishna. Interspersed with original poetry and renderings of the medieval verse of several Hindu mystics, this book reveals the means to access the spiritual reality of India's EROTIC mysticism....In the rasa-lila, Godhead enters humanity to celebrate his sensuality, thus confirming the feeling in all of us that our drive for the EROTIC is not something to be abolished."—Aesthetic Vedanta, Tripurari Swami (Cover jacket).
On page 84 of the same book, Tripurari Swami writes,
"Krishna stretched out his arms and embraced the gopis. He further aroused their passion and enjoyed with them by touching their hands, hair, thighs, belts, and breasts, as well as by playfully scratching them with his fingernails, joking with them, laughing with them, and glancing at them. In this way, he engaged in erotic sport with them as prescribed in the KAMA-SUTRA."—Aesthetic Vedanta, Tripurari Swami.
of all, what in the world is he doing writing about the rasa-lila
to the general public, all engaged in the most heinous and abominable
activities imagined? Secondly why would you describe to the general
mass of devotees and/or non-devotees such touching by our Supreme Lord
to such private parts of the gopis' bodies. And finally how
dare Maharaja describe the most intimate, exalted and internal pastime
of the adi-purusham with the most pure and elevated eternally
perfected living beings in the Spiritual Sky, as following the
KAMA-SUTRA!!!! THE KAMA-SUTRA??!!!!
"Aesthetic Vedanta recounts India's most important treatise on romantic love. More practical and interesting than the KAMA-SUTRA, it involves the classic adventure of the fabulous Krishna. Swami Tripurari's treatment is a masterpiece."—Louis Meldman author of Mystical Sex: Love, Ecstasy, and the Mystical Experience.
searched and found Louis Meldman's book also at Barnes and Noble, and
sure enough this was a sex manual.
"The hladini potency is Krishna's pleasure potency. All living entities have this pleasure seeking potency, for all beings are trying to have pleasure. This is the very nature of the living entity. At present we are trying to enjoy our pleasure potency by means of the body in the material condition. By bodily contact we are attempting to derive pleasure from material sense objects. But we should not entertain the nonsensical idea that Krishna, who is always spiritual, also tries to seek pleasure on this material plane. In the Bhagavad-gita Krishna describes the material universe as a nonpermanent place full of miseries. Why, then, would he seek pleasure in matter? He is the Supersoul, the supreme spirit, and His pleasure is beyond the material conception. To learn how Krishna enjoys pleasure, we must study the first nine cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam, and then we should study the Tenth Canto, in which Krishna's pleasure potency is displayed in His pastimes with Radharani and the damsels of Vraja. Unfortunately, unintelligent people turn at once to the sports of Krishna in the Dasama-skandha, the Tenth Canto. Krishna's embracing Radharani or His dancing with the cowherd girls in the rasa dance are generally not understood by ordinary men, because they consider these pastimes in the light of mundane lust. They foolishly think that Krishna is like themselves and that he embraces the gopis just as an ordinary man embraces a young girl. Some people thus become interested in Krishna because they think that His religion allows indulgence in sex. This is not Krishna-bhakti, love of Krishna, but prakrita-sahajiya, materialistic lust."—CC Adi-lila, Introduction.
In another place Srila Prabhupada mentions:
"The specific attraction of Krishna's pastimes with the gopis should never be misunderstood. The Bhagavatam relates these transcendental pastimes in the Tenth Canto. And in order to reach the position to understand the transcendental nature of Lord Krishna's pastimes with the gopis, the Bhagavatam promotes the student gradually in nine other cantos."—SB 1/3/28, purport.
"Without coming to the perfectional stage, if anyone tries to understand the gopis he becomes a sahajiya. Gopis are not ordinary women; they are all expansions of Krishna's pleasure potency. So when we understand Krishna, then we shall understand the gopis. We can simply follow the foot prints of how the gopis loved Krishna."— Letter to Visvambhara, 12/14/72.
Then Srila Prabhupada speaks specifically about the KAMA-SUTRA:
"Indeed, there are many so-called philosophers who give directions on how to enjoy sex life. There is even a science called KAMA-SUTRA, which is the science of sex. In human life there are also such divisions as brahmacharya, grihastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa. There is no sex life except in the grihastha, or householder ashrama. The brahmachari is not allowed any sex, a vanaprastha voluntarily refrains from sex, and the sannyasi is completely renounced."—SB 4-25-38, Purport
"So purification means getting free gradually from sex desire, and this is attained by meditation on the person of the Lord as described herein, beginning from the feet. One should not try to go upwards artificially without seeing for himself how much he has been released from the sex desire. The smiling face of the Lord is the Tenth Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam , and there are many upstarts who at once try to begin with the Tenth Canto and especially with the five chapters which delineate the rasa-lila of the Lord. THIS IS CERTAINLY IMPROPER. By such improper study or hearing of the Bhagavatam, the material opportunists have played havoc by indulgence in sex life in the name of Bhagavatam. This vilification of Bhagavatam is rendered by the acts of the so-called devotees; one should be free from all kinds of sex desire before he tries to make a show of recital of Bhagavatam. Sri Vishvanatha Chakravarti Thakura clearly defines the import of purification as cessation from sex indulgence."—SB 2-2-12, Purport.
"However, spiritual lust and material lust are as completely different as gold and iron. Only one who is very highly elevated in spiritual realization can understand the lusty feelings exchanged between Radha and Krishna, or between Krishna and the damsels of Vraja. Therefore, unless one is very experienced and advanced in spiritual realization, he is forbidden to discuss the lusty feelings of Krishna and the gopis."—SB 5-25-5, Purport.
Prabhupada would not allow even his own disciples to dwell on the
pastimes of Krishna and the gopis, even when it was written in
his own books. What to say of materialistic people shopping at Barnes
and Noble, who break ALL the four regulative principles, and who are
FULL of anger, lust and greed.
"I have received information that some of our devotees are mixing with the babajis in Vrindavana. This has produced so many problems amongst our men and women who visit Vrindavana. Here in Los Angeles, we have found there is a group of about 40 devotees who privately meet to discuss the intimate pastimes artificially thinking that they can enter into the understanding of the gopis prematurely. This will create havoc in our society, and the result will be that if this is allowed to go on, our preaching work will be greatly hampered. This premature desire to understand the lila of Krishna is due to mundane sex-life desire as we have seen amongst many of the babjis and sahajiyas in Vrindavana. Our Jagannatha dasa came back from Vrindavana asking me that he had heard some babaji speaking about siddha-deha and he also was listening to these babajis. SO I WANT THIS IMMEDIATELY STOPPED. If it continues, this mixing with the babajis, then it will mean spoiling. In many cases, these babjis keep 2 or3 women. Asatsanga tyagi. Their association is to be avoided and prohibited amongst all of our devotees who visit Vrindavana."—Letter to Nitai das, 6/7/76.
was in Srila Prabhupada's room in October 1977. Srila Prabhupada began
to speak, "I have given you this big, big, Iskcon movement. If you can,
please expand it, at least maintain it, don't let it decrease. Please
co-operate." And then Srila Prabhupada began to cry. Every time someone
leaves Iskcon it makes Srila Prabhupada cry. So Tripurari Swami said,
"People criticize me for leaving Iskcon, but I tell you, if I had to do
it again, I would have left before. Knowing what I learned leaving. I'm
telling you, leaving I learned more than I learned the whole time I was
in." (Tripurari Swami taped conversation with Krishna Balarama Swami
"Let me share with you what I believe to be the greatest problem facing Iskcon today. Iskcon is suffering from, of all things, over-glorification of Srila Prabhupada."
that Srila Prabhupada struggled with so many difficulties to arrange
passage from India to America. That he encountered 2 heart attacks on
the voyage over here. That he was attacked with the intent to murder
him when he was staying with that drug crazed hippy. That he had no
money nor any serious followers for almost a year, that without his
mercy NO ONE outside of India would have a clue of what is the mission
of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. How could it be possible to OVER GLORIFY
this most merciful and intimate servant of Sri Sri Radha Krishna? I
would humbly submit that the problem that the World Vaishnava Movement
is the UNDER GLORIFICATION of Srila Prabhupada.
"Without serving Krishna according to the vidhi-marga regulative principles of the pancharatrika-vidhi, unscrupulous persons want to jump immediately to the raga-marga principles. Such persons are called sahajiya. There are also demons who enjoy depicting Krishna and His pastimes with the gopis, taking advantage of Krishna by their licentious character. These demons who print books and write lyrics on the raga-marga principles are surely on the way to hell. Unfortunately, they lead others down with them. Devotees in Krishna Consciousness should be very careful to avoid such demons." (SB 4-24-46 Purport)
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